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Old 08-05-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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It also increases the number of whites, as 42 whites with scores lower than Fisher were admitted. Only 5 black and latinos with lower score than Fisher were admitted.
You are not making any sense. Those were not in automatic admit for top 10% of class. They and Fisher were in the competitive pool that looks at GPA, SAT and extracurricular and who knows what other schemes. And no one knows what "scores" you are talking about from the article since none were presented.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:52 PM
 
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You are not making any sense. Those were not in automatic admit for top 10% of class. They and Fisher were in the competitive pool that looks at GPA, SAT and extracurricular and who knows what other schemes. And no one knows what "scores" you are talking about from the article since none were presented.
No, you are upset that the article doesn't support your claims. Here's another:

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So Fisher and the other remaining applicants were instead evaluated based on two scores: one for her grades and test scores, and the other based on a "personal achievement index," which ProPublica explains awarded points for two required essays, as well "leadership, activities, service and 'special circumstances.' Those included socioeconomic status of the student or the student's school, coming from a home with a single parent or one where English wasn't spoken. And race."

School officials say that this is where Fisher's mediocre grades and test scores really dinged her, Hannah-Jones writes: "[E]ven if Fisher received points for her race and every other personal achievement factor, the letter she received in the mail still would have said no."


And yet: the school did offer "provisional" admission to students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Black and brown kids, surely, right?

Wrong. Five of those "provisional" students, according to court docs, were black or Latino. The rest of them —42 in all — were white.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/i...austin-7122125
It is what it is.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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That said, Fisher still actually wins. Because while Affirmative Action lives to see another day, the people who’ve benefited most from it are…White women. So she can rest easy knowing that there will always be a place for her aggressively average-ass ass to land comfortably and prosperously. Because America.

Abigail Fisher, The Oscar Mayer Turkey Bacon Of Average White Women, Loses » VSB
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Old 08-06-2017, 01:56 AM
 
Location: 89434
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Are there any white males who even want to go to college anymore? From what I see, most of them are lazy and lack ambition. When they do get to college, they spend most of the time binge drinking and chasing women. They flunk out after a semester or so then blame minorities and women who applied themselves for their failure and expect Trump to find employment for them in low skill manufacturing and mining jobs.
Have you been watching the movie Animal House too much?
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:05 AM
 
Location: 89434
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I know how it feels to get the highest score on a math exam in a university where Affirmative Action was outlawed. I revere my education in Florida. I have graduate degrees from Florida and FSU. As a teen long ago, I passed the HS AP calculus exam. It was easy. Eventually, I got an "A" in tensor calculus in graduate school.
The California University system just dropped algebra requirements because students of color can't pass.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:06 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They do not have better "scores". They had better HS GPA and got automatic admission. High school GPA is dubious especially when ignoring SAT scores.
High school GPA is essentially meaningless without the context of an ACT/SAT score, as high schools have differing levels of quality/difficulty and even different grading scales.

Class rank without the context of an ACT/SAT score is essentially meaningless for the same reason.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Someone asked earlier in the thread about Asians and why they're not included in AA.

Here's an article - Asians are the most educated group in America.

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-...up-in-america/
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Someone asked earlier in the thread about Asians and why they're not included in AA.

Here's an article - Asians are the most educated group in America.

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-...up-in-america/
Maybe the liberals secretly hope that all minorities are less educated, less employed, less successful and easier to manipulate for their political gain.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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Maybe the liberals secretly hope that all minorities are less educated, less employed, less successful and easier to manipulate for their political gain.
Liberals don't want a race-blind meritocracy. They want an oligarchy.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Maybe the liberals secretly hope that all minorities are less educated, less employed, less successful and easier to manipulate for their political gain.
Why else would you keep telling a group that they're not as smart, that they need lower requirements in order to get into college, and are being treated unfairly by everyone so they need a hand up in the form of welfare?

If any of that was true we wouldn't see so many successful black and Hispanic people - they'd be struggling across the board.
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