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I'm 28 and often labeled conservative by the left and sometimes leftist by the right. It's weird to be called a snowflake by one person, and then alt-right by another on the same day.
You're in your 20s. You've been dipped in Purel and played soccer games where they didn't keep score.
Of course you want 'niceness' and free stuff for everybody because we're all special and everyone's equal. By the time Trump leaves office you'll have grown up, gotten a job and if you still have that job it'll be because you learned a thing or two about reality. Rainbows and socialism will seem pretty stupid to you by then and I doubt you'll feel like voting for a Care Bear that you just described.
I think this is well stated. The problem with liberal/progressives is that they believe there is a free lunch. That you can get "FREE" healthcare, "FREE" college, free housing food, cars, phones, TV's etc. It's not free. Someone has to pay, and there are not enough "rich" people to pay for everything for others. The top 20% already pay 90% of the taxes, so the "rich" you refer to already pay for most of our very inefficient government, and their programs.
Do you want things to be "FAIR"? That sounds nice, but who decides what is fair? Government? They do such a good job now, do you want them controlling even more of your life, and telling you what to do? That's what socialism is. You don't get to choose, others choose for you.
It's easy to succumb to the lure of polarization; many of us try to stay open-minded, but the animosity here at C-D has intensified in recent months, due mostly to short "drive-by" posts for which both sides are responsible.
I can think of only a few committed "progressive" posters who work hard to keep the dialogues rational, but I can cite GregW, Riuth4Truth, Green Mariner, Clark Park, OpenD, Transplanted Peach and I'm sure there would be many more if greater civility were encouraged.
But on the other hand, I've seen too many threads here disintegrate into cheap attacks of the most vicious nature; here's one of the worst:
There is a saying that "The Internet is a playground, and a playground attracts kids, creeps and cops". We need to find a balance that retains and encourages free exchange, but without descending into the vulgarity which has become increasingly apparent here -- and is driving aa lot of good people away.
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Obama carried the white youth vote in 2008 by 10% (54/44) but Romney carried the 18-29 white vote in 2012 by 51-44. Not sure before that because in 2004 or before the exits didn't break down race by age.
The internet does attract more of these conservative types for a number of reasons.. many of them are introvert intuitive personality types that enjoy talking about politics and other topics of depth, as opposed to random smalltalk about people, sports, sex.. plus there's no mainstream outlet for such topics as everything is liberal dominated, thus internet forums attract them.
Granted, many of Trump's supporters do the same thing, and were really nasty during the campaign. They are nasty, narrow minded bullies who think they are so much better than everyone else over there. That behavior is a turnoff. Keep your emotions in check.
I've had the exact same experiences -- replace 'conservative' and 'Trump' with 'liberals' and 'Obama,' 'Hillary' and 'Bernie'. Not on forums that are political either but they like to inject insults.
I think this is well stated. The problem with liberal/progressives is that they believe there is a free lunch. That you can get "FREE" healthcare, "FREE" college, free housing food, cars, phones, TV's etc. It's not free. Someone has to pay, and there are not enough "rich" people to pay for everything for others. The top 20% already pay 90% of the taxes, so the "rich" you refer to already pay for most of our very inefficient government, and their programs.
Do you want things to be "FAIR"? That sounds nice, but who decides what is fair? Government? They do such a good job now, do you want them controlling even more of your life, and telling you what to do? That's what socialism is. You don't get to choose, others choose for you.
I'm a moderate who leans left. I know none of that stuff is actually FREE.
I'm just willing to have the government provide it in exchange for paying more taxes and ending corruption and inequality in areas such as schooling, insurance/healthcare, etc.
I don't think most of these younger voters who are in college ACTUALLY think it's FREE. They know that other countries have systems to provide for their citizens and they're not horrified of being taxed a little extra to make sure that we aren't leaving one another out in the cold and embracing the "I got mine, who cares about yours?" mentality that is SO very popular with a vast majority of people who went to college back when it was cheap and/or never went at all and could still afford a house and are now old and sucking at the government teat that is Social Security and Medicare.
Because, believe it or not, everyone working right now is paying for all these old codgers in the MAGA hats to sit around and ***** about how the rest of us don't work enough.
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The internet does attract more of these conservative types for a number of reasons.. many of them are introvert intuitive personality types that enjoy talking about politics and other topics of depth, as opposed to random smalltalk about people, sports, sex.. plus there's no mainstream outlet for such topics as everything is liberal dominated, thus internet forums attract them.
I do want universal healthcare and legal marijuana, but I also want my guns and want to keep out refugees, and am not a fan of section 8 housing. Progressives do some good things, and not so good things. Their social experiments with forced busing, taking low income people and sticking them in the suburbs, supporting letting anyone and everyone come into our country, and their incessant whining and inability to work with the other side to come to a middle ground keep me from voting from them. If they don't get their way they whine like little kids, and it's a bit of a turnoff.
Granted, many of Trump's supporters do the same thing, and were really nasty during the campaign. Go to GLP, which is another forum filled with Trump supporters. They are nasty, narrow minded bullies who think they are so much better than everyone else over there. That behavior is a turnoff. Keep your emotions in check.
You just explained why I'm a moderate who leans left on social issues.
I don't know that I want to keep out all refugees, but I'm a fan of aggressive and lengthy vetting processes and I'm not anti-section 8 housing, but I think the way to end poverty in this country isn't to keep handing stuff out when people can instead be given some help where they need it. Why isn't childcare free/subsidized for people with lower incomes? If you give a single mom some free childcare, she will have no problem working for a living to support her family. If you give her some rent subsidies, she can bridge the gap so she can afford a decent place to live without needing a section 8 voucher.
All of these helping mechanisms are better than humiliating people who don't have enough money to provide for essentials such as food, housing, and daycare.
If we had better schools everywhere, nobody would require busing to a better area. All the schools would be equally nice.
I don't know why things that should be simple are so complicated.
They do not need to be.
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Have you ever heard the quote attributed to Winston Churchill? "Anyone who's 20 and not a liberal has no heart. Anyone who's 40 and not a conservative has no brains."
Yeah, but that was Georges Clemenceau, not Churchill. And he said it because he thought his son was a Communist.
And by the by, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" was something Albert Einstein never said. It's also one of the dumbest things ever said.
Just throwing that out there.
Moving on...
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The ideas you mention sound so good and warm and fuzzy, don't they?
Yes. Equality is a good thing.
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how is it fair for a neurosurgeon with many years of post-secondary education, who possesses an incredibly intricate skill set, to be paid the same as a high-school drop-out who digs ditches?
Well, it's not, but that isn't what's meant by equal pay. But I'm positive you know that.
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what incentive will anyone have to undergo the rigorous and financially draining process by which one becomes a neurosurgeon?
I'm 28 and often labeled conservative by the left and sometimes leftist by the right. It's weird to be called a snowflake by one person, and then alt-right by another on the same day.
Happens to me a lot. I take it as recognition that I am an independent thinker who defies categorization.
When you're in favor of single payer and recommend deploying the THAAD on North Korea's next missile launch, it gets all the doctrinaires riled up.
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