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From around 1924 -1965 we were able to win a world war, build great cities,amazing mass transit, build an amazing space program that reached the moon, work manual labor and farm jobs and have the most prosperous period in american history with very little foreign immigration
Immigration declined after the '24 act was passed and virtually came to a halt in 1930. Fewer immigrants came under FDR than under any president since John Quincy Adams. Immigration increased after WW2 ended and were considerably higher in the 1950s/60s although relatively low historically speaking.
So, during the period in which there was very little foreign immigration, 1930-45 we did not have a space program, and I wouldn't exactly call that period "the most prosperous period in American history".
Americans should be more worried about getting new skills instead of telling everyone they can't compete. Not sure why folks think limiting or kicking out immigrants will help..... since the issue is too many American's are simply not hirable or very low skilled.
Somebody has to train them before they can become skilled. Sure, some Americans have the drive and motivation to learn everything on their own, but that doesn't mean every American walks on water. Corporations go to 3rd world countries and hand skillsets to people because they are cheap there. They avoid training Americans because that would be expensive and bad for profits.
As far as I'm concerned, corporations that favor third worlders because they are cheap should not be allowed to call themselves American corporations. These multinational corps promote the race to the bottom because they favor short term profitability over their own long term survival. And they are more than willing to sacrifice their country of origin in favor of those precious short term profits. They are traitors and sellouts, and have earned their own future irrelevance and demise. But Americans themselves deserve much better. I hope things change, but I'm afraid they won't.
What utter nonsense! Most immigrants both legal and illegal are taking American blue-collared jobs. Since when aren't most Americans hirable and don't have the skills to do once good paying blue-collared jobs? Who do you think were doing those jobs for a fair wage before millions of "immigrants" came here? It's all about greed on the part of the employers, nothing else.
No. Unless both Obama and Trump are lying about employment numbers, we have very low employment. Who cares if a legal immigrant is taking a blue collar job?
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It only stands to reason that the more labor you pour into a work force the lower the wages will be and the fewer possibilities of getting hired.
You are competing with the entire world. Reducing immigration in the US doesn't lesson the competition of American workers with global workers.
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Resources are both natural and social. I never said anything about running out of food. In the past we needed immigrants for nation building. We are already built and our population growth has exploded. Less people means more of everything for a smaller population not all fighting over the little scraps that there are. I am not opposed to legal immigration in sustainable and reasonable numbers but I'm certainly opposed to illegal immigration as we all should be.
Our infrastructure is old as we haven't been keeping up with it. In 2017, we need to rebuild our infrastructure.
Less people means less growth and less opportunities. What little scraps are you speaking of?
One reason why immigration was curtailed in the early 1920s was terrorist attacks There were acts of terror committed in the United States, mostly from so-called anarchist groups. really communists and it led to slowing down immigration , crime and social cohesion played a large part
We took time to assimilate those who had come to America. They wanted to be Americans. They wanted to assimilate and did not want to establish Balkanized beachheads of their former countries.
From around 1924 -1965 we were able to win a world war, build great cities,amazing mass transit, build an amazing space program that reached the moon, work manual labor and farm jobs and have the most prosperous period in american history with very little foreign immigration
And how has that changed? Seems like your complaints are mostly the same complaints your counterparts had during that time too. Those immigrants weren't received with open arms, in fact they never have been in America history.....
Your ilk tries and glamorizes something that wasn't glamorous.
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Why arent all these liberal countries like Australia criticized for their merit based immigration system, they believe illegal immigration will destabilize the country and its very tough to immigrate to Australia
No one likes illegal immigrants but they haven't destablized the country, just the minds of some of our citizens.
Australia also has a much higher cost of living and much more generous social programs..... you'll notice that most of the countries with immigration policies you enjoy are more socialist or more authoritarian.
And how has that changed? Seems like your complains are mostly the same complaints your counterparts had during that time too. Those immigrants weren't received with open arms, in fact they never have in America history.....
Your ilk tries and glamorizes something that wasn't glamorous.
No one likes illegal immigrants but they haven't destablized the country, just the minds of some of our citizens.
Australia also has a much higher cost of living and much more generous social programs..... you'll notice that most of the countries with immigration policies you enjoy are more socialist or more authoritarian.
Maybe it's easier to have generous social programs when it's for your citizens , and you aren't paying for housing ,hospitals, schooling etc for million and millions of people from foreign countries. Even liberal Scandinavian countries and many of the most liberal countries in the world in Europe are rethinking mass immigration and refugee resettlement.
Somebody has to train them before they can become skilled. Sure, some Americans have the drive and motivation to learn everything on their own, but that doesn't mean every American walks on water. Corporations go to 3rd world countries and hand skillsets to people because they are cheap there. They avoid training Americans because that would be expensive and bad for profits.
And what do other advanced economies do about training workers?
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As far as I'm concerned, corporations that favor third worlders because they are cheap should not be allowed to call themselves American corporations. These multinational corps promote the race to the bottom because they favor short term profitability over their own long term survival. And they are more than willing to sacrifice their country of origin in favor of those precious short term profits. They are traitors and sellouts, and have earned their own future irrelevance and demise. But Americans themselves deserve much better. I hope things change, but I'm afraid they won't.
So are you promoting a contemporary command style Chinese economy? Sounds like you want to make America far less America and much more government controlled.
Maybe it's easier to have generous social programs when it's for your citizens , and you aren't paying for housing ,hospitals, schooling etc for million and millions of people from foreign countries.
I agree. We should grant amnesty to those who can prove they have been here for a year and go after the most important driver of illegal immigrants, employers. Mandating a federal e-verify system is the most effective way at preventing illegal immigration.
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Even liberal Scandinavian countries and many of the most liberal countries in the world in Europe are rethinking mass immigration and refugee resettlement.
Well sure, it's not like they planned a wave of refugees from the Middle East, based on several American administrations' incompetence, coming due to the Arab Spring. Again, the US has two large oceans separating us from most of the world's population..... European paranoia and fear mongering doesn't concern me in America.
I question the immigration restrictions as a way of improving employment for Americans. MEH -- Isn't it a little more complicated than that.
Where are the biggest unemployment figures -- are they areas with huge immigration percentages (recent or relative to the unemployment problem).
I think it is lipstick on a pig. I do not believe that implementing these reduced numbers over 10 years will substantially reduce unemployment rates. I think it is for show.
I'm not so bothered by it I would protest or object...I just think it's a worthless gesture.
And what do other advanced economies do about training workers?
So are you promoting a contemporary command style Chinese economy? Sounds like you want to make America far less America and much more government controlled.
I never said government should be involved. I would promote less government, not more. After all, government happily sold the American worker out with NAFTA, which greatly benefited the corporations. Government also subsidizes varies industries and corporations. We already have a damn near planned economic system, which I find appalling. Government controls far too much of our economy and our lives as it is. This country as founded on the promise of limited government, and I feel we should move back towards that direction, for the benefit of the American people as a whole.
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In the past we needed immigrants for nation building. We are already built and our population growth has exploded. Less people means more of everything for a smaller population not all fighting over the little scraps that there are. I am not opposed to legal immigration in sustainable and reasonable numbers but I'm certainly opposed to illegal immigration as we all should be.
