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Old 08-06-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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You really think if the Trump Administration is totally cleared with this investigation, people are just going to drop it? Young grasshopper, even if that happens, people will still bring it up and talk about it until Trump is out of office (and probably even after he's out of office, like every other political figure involved in a scandal), that's the way politics work!
You are probably right. The anti-Trump groups just want to find something that will hang him and get rid of him. This will make the Michael Moores and Maxine Waters of the country very happy. I just feel get whatever needs to be revealed........revealed. Let's get on with it and move forward. All of this overshadows the positive that this Admonistration has accomplished....quite tiring. As you said, it will probably forever linger.

 
Old 08-06-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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A Grand Jury can be useful for its subpoena power, even if no indictments are currently planned.
It can also me misused.

How Has the Grand Jury Been Misused?
Because of their broad subpoena powers and secretive nature, grand juries have been used by the government to gather information on political movements and to disrupt those movements by causing fear and mistrust. The grand jury lends itself to being used for improper political investigation due in part to the prosecutor's ability to question witnesses without regard for rules that prohibit irrelevant, unreliable or unlawfully obtained evidence. Those called before the grand jury may be compelled to answer any question, even those relating to lawful personal and political activities. That information has been used by the government as a basis to conduct further surveillance and disruption of political dissent. When used against political movements, the grand jury causes fear and mistrust because persons who refuse to answer questions about their First Amendment political activities, friends and associates may be jailed for the life of the grand jury: up to 18 months. If a witness asserts their Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, they may be forced to accept immunity or go to jail for contempt. Even a witness who attempts to cooperate can be jailed if minor inconsistencies are found in their testimony. Such a perjury charge may stand even when the grand jury fails to hand down any indictment for what it was ostensibly investigating.
 
Old 08-06-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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You are probably right. The anti-Trump groups just want to find something that will hang him and get rid of him. This will make the Michael Moores and Maxine Waters of the country very happy. I just feel get whatever needs to be revealed........revealed. Let's get on with it and move forward. All of this overshadows the positive that this Admonistration has accomplished....quite tiring. As you said, it will probably forever linger.
No, you are not "getting it". It's not about some wanting to "find something that will get rid of him", it is that HE himself has caused such scrutiny and concern over his abilities and mental state, that has the majority of people worldwide wondering what the heck is going on, not that claims "are being made up" by some. It is not going be simply that something can be cleared in order for things to just stabilize. No. This is big, there are lots of serious elements involved in what has gone wrong and is why what is involved cannot be investigated easily and quickly.

Yes, it's tiring, we are all just waiting and wanting for some resolve or conclusion, but this will not be concluded as you may think. All of this has basis in a man who is so lacking in character and abilities to have caused a lot of problems, so that is why the focus is upon HIM, and all else that stems from him. HE is the problem, due to lying and B S'ing his way through.

I don't know why some believe there have been any positive accomplishments, but it must be, as usual, due to his wanting people to believe there were. Just the idea that some cannot see how flawed he is, such as when telling the police they "should rough up suspects". What an a__ for saying this, then of course, after the fact, claiming he was "just joking". 😏 Then, his offensive behavior during the Boy Scouts speech and lying about his "great" performance. He's said he "equals Abraham Lincoln". It goes on and on. THIS (and more) is why people can't stand him. They see through him and it has been this way from the beginning. It's like a child saying he "just won the lottery" or "drove a train" or "caught a grown man falling from building", "climbed Mount Everest". Like the "Boy who Cried Wolf", many tuned him out long ago. He has had such negativity in his background besides, that is not made up. We just want an honest, clean and capable person with strong character and decision-making abilities for president. You would think ALL Americans would want that.
 
Old 08-06-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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You are probably right. The anti-Trump groups just want to find something that will hang him and get rid of him. This will make the Michael Moores and Maxine Waters of the country very happy. I just feel get whatever needs to be revealed........revealed. Let's get on with it and move forward. All of this overshadows the positive that this Admonistration has accomplished....quite tiring. As you said, it will probably forever linger.
What would that be?
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