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If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, Mike Pence becomes president, not Hillary. The only reason why dems/libs threaten impeachment because they think they can replace him with Hillary. It's never going to happen.
Nobody thinks that. It's possible Pence gets snared in this and also impeached, but the line of succession is through Republicans.
Originally Posted by bawac34618 View Post
Let's say hypothetically Trump is impeached. I know most people believe the entire thing is a nothing burger and Trump impeachment is simply a liberal fantasy. Let's say for a moment that Mueller found something and that Trump was impeached. Would you support him if he refused to leave office at that point? Or, for the sake of the rule or law, would you accept the impeachment?
He could be childish and refuse to physically leave the WH if convicted, but would have no authority or power - that would be held by new President.
If Trump is convicted, impeachment removes all his Presidential credentials. it reverses
That means he cannot continue to live in the White House, no longer has any authority to sign documents, has no authority over his Cabinet, and no authority to represent the United States abroad or to any treaty organization.
Could Trump refuse to be impeached? No. It's out of his hands. Once his credentials are in question, he cannot refuse as refusal is a conflict of interest.
A President is not allowed to command the process that gave him his credentials, so he cannot reverse that process himself. All those powers lie outside the Executive Branch.
If convicted, he would not be able to enter any of the federal offices including the Oval Office, and if he refused to leave the White House, federal marshals would evict him. He is entitled to keep his personal papers and effects, and nothing more. He would become a common citizen again instantly.
Impeachment is the process. Conviction is the possible sentence.
It's not a crime in the criminal sense of the word at all. Impeachment is the method of forced removal of an official who refuses to resign. It is a unique political offense, the topmost and only way to force an appointed or elected official out of office by force of law.
There is an easier way to push a reluctant resignation; Censure. Censure is a political punishment that carries some political penalties, but does not force the person out of office against his will.
Most, but not all, of those who were censured did resign.
Censure is done by each chamber alone.
The House censures its own as does the Senate, and both houses are not needed to vote on it. Only one vote is needed by the membership of the particular chamber.
To impeach requires 3 steps;
1- Charges must be brought forth to a House committee.
2- The charges must pass through the committee to the floor of the House and voted upon by the entire House of Representatives, with the Chief Justice presiding, and pass with a simple majority.
3- If a House majority is reached, then a tribunal is formed in the Senate, with the Chief Justice presiding, overseen by the Supreme Court justices who must attend the proceedings.
The Constitution is silent on how the proceedings are to be conducted. So prosecution and defense are left up to the Senate, who would decide the matters by vote.
The Vice President or the President pro tempore of the Senate would officiate.
(President pro tem is the current majority leader in Congress)
A 2/3 vote is required for conviction.
Upon conviction, the individual's credentials are revoked, and federal Marshals escort the person from the Senate chambers. He is then released on the street as a common private citizen.
This does not depend on criminal conduct. And impeachment carries no criminal penalty. If a person is impeached due to criminal conduct, those charges are filed afterward in a federal or state court, and there is a separate trial.
It is a long and difficult process that the entire Congress has to do.
Only one impeachment has gone all the way to conviction; Senator Wm. Blount was expelled in 1798.
The first attempt at impeaching a President, in 1865, failed by one vote to convict in the Senate.
The second, in 1999, never reached a vote on the House floor at all. The proceedings fell apart and the impeachment proceedings were adjourned before a call for a vote came.
So no one knows yet what the complete ending to an impeachment conviction is, or what it would entail for sure.
Pence would be sworn into office as soon as the proceedings ended, so Trump would have no authority to use anything to keep him in the Presidency.
How great would it be if he actually was impeached but the petulant little baby locked himself in the oval office? The doors are broken down and he is hauled away kicking and screaming "WITCH HUNT!!!!!"
The petulant little babies are those who keep this crap up. So immature and so spoiled you all are. And putting a big stain on America. And the witch hunt is from these physchologicaly deranged people who cant accept anything with their heads held high and their dignity in tact.
Cry me a river
The "smoking gun" was supposed to be that Trump's son met with a Russian lawyer in the U.S. with the intent to discuss opposition research but he never did. That is hardly grounds for impeaching a President.
Really nothing to see here, if that's all there is.
The fact that you believe this may be all there is would be your problem. We have no idea what Mueller has found and what he will find in the future. That is why the claim that there is nothing to all of this is premature and completely idiotic at this point in time.
Let's say hypothetically Trump is impeached. I know most people believe the entire thing is a nothing burger and Trump impeachment is simply a liberal fantasy. Let's say for a moment that Mueller found something and that Trump was impeached. Would you support him if he refused to leave office at that point? Or, for the sake of the rule or law, would you accept the impeachment?
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Originally Posted by BicoastalAnn
Though why would he leave if "just" impeached, until senators also voted to remove him from office? If they vote yes, he'd have to leave, no?? That's how I thought the system worked.
bi is right, if trump is just impeached, then there is no reason for him to leave office. and even if he is convicted in the senate, that does not necessarily mean he will be removed from office either. they do have options, like censure among others. granted if the senate convicts chances are that he will be removed from office, and if he refuses to leave, then he should be removed bodily.
I cannot vote on a hypothetical question that should never happen. I don't think the powers behind this witch hunt realize how strong his supporters are. They need to back off.
Originally Posted by stiffnecked That douche bag Bill Clinton was impeached and he didn't beat down the door trying to leave office. He was the only President to be impeached for leaving a semen stain on an interns dress. Bunch of hypocrical liberal dumbocrats.
try again my friend, clinton was impeached for committing perjury on a court ordered deposition in a sexual harassment case filed against him. so he committed a FELONY, and as a result he lost his license to practice law after he left office. so please stop with the he got a BJ in office crap,we dont care about that.
The fact that you believe this may be all there is would be your problem. We have no idea what Mueller has found and what he will find in the future. That is why the claim that there is nothing to all of this is premature and completely idiotic at this point in time.
At this point in time? 12 months of investigating and there is virtually nothing? Not even any evidence of a change in votes during the election?
Okay then, I have to wonder where the idiocy lies.
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