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I didnt ask you if you believed in Perez. so dont side step the argument here.
This is about you supporting a litmus test in one case, and not in another based solely on whether you agree with the principles of the test.
I do not have anything to do with what the DNC does. I will not vote for someone that promotes continued war as an answer to anything. Call that what you want.
War/good. Pro life/bad. I do not understand that. Despite being pro-life I still voted for Stein.
I used to think like this. Once I really realized and admitted the political system has been hijacked for quite some time now, I don't think this way any more. I still voted, mostly because it takes very little effort--and that's just it. If we want our Republic back, it's going to take a lot more than voting. Even some liberals like Naomi Wolf get that:
sorry mate that link is just unrelated noise. i could not finish it, her appeal to emotional nonsense has nothing to do with voting to prevent or to assist someone into or out of the white house.
I do not believe we have in any way shape or form lost our "republic" that is silly talk. But we have allowed big money, corps , populism to take over.
We need to......
end the lobbying nightmare.
reverse citizens united.
end gerrymandering .
those 3 are key. reforming our system of voting to a single transferable vote system would help end extremism too.
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I do not have anything to do with what the DNC does. I will not vote for someone that promotes continued war as an answer to anything. Call that what you want.
War/good. Pro life/bad. I do not understand that. Despite being pro-life I still voted for Stein.
This isnt about the DNC nor did anyone say the bold. This is about your personal flip flop.
I agree with him. I'm an independent but lean left on healthcare especially and I've always felt that there is a "whiny left" and a "hateful right" in both parties. They both are getting too much attention as of late and the voices of the sane Dems and Repubs are ignored.
I agree as well. Seems there is little room for centrists in either party.
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Indeed, I would rather have no war. I would rather have no part of the programs designed to do nothing other than enrich Wall Street.
I don't pretend otherwise. As I note, if I want that, why not just vote GOP as they are honest about it?
You should vote GOP and quit trying to split the Democratic party.
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It's true. Many people are tired of the victimization, identity politics of the Democrats that divide us. The problem is can the Republicans step up, and actually lead?
Jeezus. There is no bigger 'victim' than the whiner in the white house. Add to that the rural white working class who demand that good jobs COME TO THEM instead of the other way around. Lastly, Trump was 100% about identity politics.
This sort of reminds me of when some Libertarians accuse others of being "too pure", as if it's better to abandon your principles to cater to the rest of the population, and standing by what you believe in is silly.
Dean has the politician's mentality. Standing by ideas you believe in is political suicide, so you need to forget all that, cater to the masses, have no backbone, and go wherever the votes are...that's how you win, and that's all that matters.
And that's why there's so much corruption and sociopathy in politics anywhere in the world. It's about winning, and you won't make it far if your intentions are pure.
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