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Old 08-07-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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I believe a lot of the mistrust comes from the police, policing themselves. I believe that the trust will improve when more cities take action like we see here.

The internal review decided the officer did nothing wrong but did recommend a 24 hour suspension.

The city disagreed and fired him. The correct call. I'm sure the union will now fight this and I will not be surprised if he gets his job back but an officer like this can never gain the trust of the people.

An internal police review found that multiple supervisors supported Rosen curb stomping the handcuffed man, and said Rosen acted within department policy.

If stomping on the head of a handcuffed man is department policy there likely needs to be more people fired.

City of Columbus Fires Zachary Rosen, Cop Caught on Video Curb Stomping Handcuffed Man's Head - TruthFight

City of Columbus fires Zachary Rosen, the officer seen kicking suspect in head | NBC4i.com

The protests have had an impact.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:39 PM
 
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I guess if the cop would have shot someone for crossing against the light, they would have thought that was ok too.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Ding, Ding, Ding. We have another winner in the police abuse lottery. Enjoy you winnings Demarko.
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Old 08-07-2017, 04:10 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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I believe a lot of the mistrust comes from the police, policing themselves. I believe that the trust will improve when more cities take action like we see here.

The internal review decided the officer did nothing wrong but did recommend a 24 hour suspension.

The city disagreed and fired him. The correct call. I'm sure the union will now fight this and I will not be surprised if he gets his job back but an officer like this can never gain the trust of the people.

Cities with independent reviews have done no better than cities without them on police misconduct. (Often worse.)

Unfortunately, while this action looks good on the surface, the long term consequences of politicians taking direct hiring and firing actions with police officers is always and inevitably a political goon squad doing the bidding of the elected officials, similar to this example local to me:
St. Louis area police department has no insurance, no registration and no apologies | FOX2now.com
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news...ith-three-cops

I still propose that the only way to fix this is two policies:
1) Dramatically increase pay to allow selectivity in hiring.
2) Mandatory retirement of no more than 20 years, and ideally less than 15 years, with a 50% or more pension. No option to work for another public department (they can go into private security, but no longer be a certified commissioned officer). Police chiefs are commissioned only.

All other policies (cameras, independent review, increased training, etc) get layered on top of this for incremental improvements, but none of these policies will succeed without these two.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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I'm not interested in paying someone 40 plus years for working 15.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"Who guards the guardians" has been one of the most difficult political problems mankind has ever faced. We still do not have a very good answer.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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"Who guards the guardians" has been one of the most difficult political problems mankind has ever faced. We still do not have a very good answer.
But keep voting and paying taxes.

One of these days it will work...it just gotta work!

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