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View Poll Results: Should a business be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner’s re
Yes 105 54.12%
No 80 41.24%
Not sure 9 4.64%
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by T0103E View Post
This thread is just reinforcing the idea that most people can't separate thought and emotion. They think they're thinking, but they're feeling.

"Such and such should be this way"
Okay, what's your reasoning?
"We shouldn't allow that behavior"
Okay, but why?
"People have a right to participate and feel included"
Okay, but why?
"Well that's what the law says, and that's how it is here. If you don't like it, move"
Okay, but why?
Applying this type of inquiry specifically to the 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' case:

You seem to be saying, if one chooses to open up a business in a particular State, one may not have to abide by the laws of that State.

Ok, what's your reasoning?

Ok, but why?

 
Old 08-11-2017, 04:00 AM
 
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Doesnt matter. Forcing one party into a contract with another is wrong.
Was 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' forced to open up a business?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:10 AM
 
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So then don't complain if people treat you like that gym in Atlanta that is anti-cop and military on social media...
I'm not a cop or military, why should I care?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:16 AM
 
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Was 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' forced to open up a business?
No. Whats your point?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:21 AM
 
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Doesnt matter. Forcing one party into a contract with another is wrong.
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Was 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' forced to open up a business?
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
No. Whats your point?
Was the business entity known as 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' forced to incorporate a business in the State of Oregon?

By doing so, did they enter into a contract with the State of Oregon & agree to abide by the laws of that State?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:45 AM
 
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Was the business entity known as 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' forced to incorporate a business in the State of Oregon?

By doing so, did they enter into a contract with the State of Oregon & agree to abide by the laws of that State?
I dont believe a third party should forcibly set terms between consenting parties.
Should the state of oregon determine who you let into your home?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:48 AM
 
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I dont believe a third party should forcibly set terms between consenting parties.
Should the state of oregon determine who you let into your home?
'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' was not operating a business from their home. What's your point?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:58 AM
 
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If you open up a business, you must serve EVERYONE. If you don't want to serve the general public, here's a thought, don't open up your own business.


THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND HERE! If Christians are so upset about serving gays, what's gonna happen to these snowflakes when they get refused service from an American Muslim because they are unclean?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:59 AM
 
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These debates are all quaint and nice until you think about a doctor refusing to save your life because they think you're a hateful, religious douchebag and it's against their religion to treat racist homophobes.

The fact is there are laws to protect people for a reason. No matter who you are and no matter whether or not you can pay, you will always get emergency treatment.

Does that make the doctor a slave?

Or do we have a social duty and contract to deal with the public in a certain professional way despite our personal feelings?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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The CRA of 1964 discriminates against business owners in favor of consumers. They are forced to sell the fruits of their labor.

Slavery.

One group's rights are arbitrarily taken away to accommodate another group.
If you're speaking about slavery, you're right. One group's right to own people as property was taken away to accommodate those people formerly considered property.

What's your point?
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