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View Poll Results: Would you support a preemptive nuclear strike?
Yes; it's the quickest, most decisive way to neutralize a threat casualties and political fallout be damned 51 15.13%
No; Nuclear weapons should only be used should the enemy strike first with a nuclear weapon 286 84.87%
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Hey people, before one starts thinking that we are all doomed, take a look at this!

Raytheon: Standard Missile-3 (SM-3)

 
Old 08-09-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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Fat dog just barks.
 
Old 08-09-2017, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb North Korea Considering Missile Strike on Guam

The US has considered saturation nuclear strikes on the Soviet Union, employing the nuclear triad.

The triad, btw, is a term that tRump was unfamiliar with a year ago.
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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[quote=chad3;49126954]
Quote:

"The Soviets helped North Korea set up its first nuclear reactor in 1964."

"In the years that followed (North Korea) began to explore weapons capabilities, summoning its best scientists home — including from Canada, according to NTI — to work on its fledgling nuclear weapons program."

"In the ‘70s and ‘80s, North Korea set about acquiring sensitive nuclear technologies from Europe."

"North Korean agents went to a conference in Vienna and chatted up some Belgian scientists who had a design for a plutonium separation plant."

"It wasn’t long before the North Koreans obtained the design information for that installation… and then eventually over a period of 10 to 15 years, they set that technology up, they deployed the plant, they started to experiment with it and use it.”

Bill Clinton had nothing to do with North Korea developing nuclear weapons technology.

How did North Korea get nuclear weapons? - National | Globalnews.ca


But Bill Clinton did get North Korea to agree to the "Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)" treaty.

"Some analysts believe North Korea agreed to the freeze primarily because of the U.S. agreement to phase out economic sanctions that had been in place since the Korean War. But because of congressional opposition, the U.S. failed to deliver on this part of the agreement."

Bill Clinton got North Korea to the negotiation table, and North Korea was willing to negotiate to have the economic sanctions removed. But republicans in congress broke the agreement and kept the economic sanctions in place, and then North Korea exited the deal. And it was republicans in congress that stopped Bill Clinton's North Korea deal from ever having a chance to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework

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Utter nonsense.... NK was secretly building nukes all the while. NK used the threat of withdrawing from that treaty to win concessions from the West. At the same time, the North was gaining secret nuclear know-how from partners in Pakistan.They played Clinton, SK and Japan. We all know this.


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In the summer of 2002, the CIA, working with evidence that it had been collecting since the middle of Clinton's second term, concludes that North Korea is secretly pursuing a uranium enrichment program. The uranium enrichment program is different from the plutonium-based program that Pyongyang agreed to freeze during negotiations for the 1994 Agreed Framework; however the U.S. argues that North Korea has violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the agreement.
Chronology | Kim's Nuclear Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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https://youtu.be/6TcbU5jAavw
Hear from the horse his mouth!

Bill Clinton telling the nation and world what a great deal he made!

Bill Clinton caused this North Korean nuclear threat!

Obama created the Iranian nuclear threat we have to deal with, not to long from now!

Democrats and their mess and of course Democrats will blame someone else!

Let's see how democrats will spin the speech by blaming President Trump!
Now watch this.

https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/s...40223129882624
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:03 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Fat dog just barks.
I'm not so sure. Fat dog is like a little kid playing video games. He pushes buttons and blows things up. Way cool. And all the military men around him stand around and clap like trained seals. At least our little kid has some sane adults around him. Doesn't he?
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Very dangerous situation. Two countries run by madman surrounded by people that never so no. Both rulers egomaniacs out look strong and prove themselves.
That in a nutshell is the worry the rest of the world has at this time.

Two leaders seemingly immune from any reason or consideration given by there immediate counsel.

Where are the intelligent folks supposedly tasked with advising these people?

In Kim's case it's easy to define because he's their leader by supreme divinity. Of course no one will question or attempt to restrain him ....he'd have them fed to starving dogs.

Trump, on the other hand is the "elected" leader of a nation that has in the past, relied upon a system of a leader with a cabinet and consultants well versed in geopolitics whom it would be assumed would surround him in these days of this type of war mongering heightened tensions involving bluster of the nuclear kind.

Where are these guys and gals....back at the club house waiting for Trump to finish his round of golf?

This is somewhat reminiscent of the Cuban missile crisis where the released photos of Kennedy handling that were quickly disseminated to the public showing him in consultations with very respected members of his inner circle and always within the Whitehouse proper. Does anybody here think this fiasco is being dealt with the seriousness and consultative process one would expect such as:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-i...le-Crisis.aspx

Here is the kind of introspection one would expect from a leader taking their role seriously and not simply pandering for the accolades of the moment:

The worst day of JFK’s life

O.K. the Whitehouse is getting an HVAC upgrading, but to choose a dang golf course to decamp to in the middle of a potential world altering event like this is certainly a fragmastic optic to have out there confusing the heck out of the rest of us.

Possibly the fate of the world is on the shoulders of Dumb and Dumber and I'll leave it to the readers to assign the roles of the two lead actors.
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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And if we nuke N. Korea as a result? Where do you think the fallout will be felt, with China and Russia as neighbors and Japan to their east?

A ground war would also not be tolerated by China and Russia.

A consensus needs to be built and actions taken by multiple countries, not just the US. It's a good thing we haven't ticked off any of our allies, lately and have that consensus building down to an art form.
 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Just so you'll know...

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Originally Posted by bentlebee View Post
https://youtu.be/6TcbU5jAavw
Hear from the horse his mouth!

Bill Clinton telling the nation and world what a great deal he made!

Bill Clinton caused this North Korean nuclear threat!

Obama created the Iranian nuclear threat we have to deal with, not to long from now!

Democrats and their mess and of course Democrats will blame someone else!

Let's see how democrats will spin the speech by blaming President Trump!
FYI:

It was Dubya who called off talks with NK and allowed their nuke program to achieve success in 2006.

That was 5 years after Clinton left office.

From 2008:

Nearly every proliferation problem President George W. Bush inherited has grown worse with his stewardship. Every member of the “axis of evil” is more dangerous than they were in 2001. Iraq did not have a nuclear weapons program before the war and does not now, but the unnecessary war destabilized the region and increased the risks of nuclear terrorism, while Iran and North Korea advanced further on their nuclear programs in the past five years than they had in the previous ten.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2008_11/cirincione

And now, we have tRump calling the tune...

 
Old 08-09-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Funny, they can blame Clinton and Obama, but never offer up a good solution from any Republican.

Except bomb them back to the stone age.
What's your "solution?" Oh, we've tried giving them a reactor and free fuel already.
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