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View Poll Results: Would you support a preemptive nuclear strike?
Yes; it's the quickest, most decisive way to neutralize a threat casualties and political fallout be damned 51 15.13%
No; Nuclear weapons should only be used should the enemy strike first with a nuclear weapon 286 84.87%
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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Position of strength? Trump drew a red line, it took NK 2 minutes to violate it. They couldn't wait for him to say something as stupid as he did, and they jumped on it immediately.
Which demonstrates that we have their full attention now.

 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"Diplomacy" is what has led us to this predicament and has proven to be totally ineffective at deterring North Korea (or Iran).
Diplomacy is always a better option than going to war, unless a country led an outright attack on us I don't see us taking any action.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The war was a long time ago and most were not even born.
"For years, North Korea has taught schoolchildren to bayonet effigies of U.S. soldiers. Under its young dictator, Kim Jong Un, the government has suggested it was prepared to nuke Washington, Austin and Southern California."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.b27ed9f82f76

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People who fail need someone to blame their failure on. Fat Boy uses the US as their boogey man to keep everyone scared and under his control.
"Like all dictatorial regimes, the Kim family dynasty needs an endless existential struggle against a fearsome enemy. Such a threat rationalizes massive military spending and excuses decades of privation, while keeping dissenting mouths shut and political prisons open."

And Donald Trumps latest threats to North Korea gave Kim Jong-un even more power to manipulate the North Korean people.


"The hate, though, is not all manufactured. It is rooted in a fact-based narrative, one that North Korea obsessively remembers and the United States blithely forgets."

"The story dates to the early 1950s, when the U.S. Air Force ... bombed and napalmed (North Korean) cities, towns and villages... Over a period of three years or so, (America) killed off 20 percent of the population.”

"The ferocity of the bombing was criticized as racist and unjustified elsewhere in the world."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.b27ed9f82f76
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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And if you think China would get involved, you are a fool. China will gladly watch on the sidelines as NK destroys SK and Japan, and once the war is over and won (I have no doubt the US would win in the end), they will turn to Japan and Korea and whisper in their ears "You are expendable to the US but we would NEVER throw you under the bus like they did. You should ally with us, your neighbor, not some foreign country from halfway around the world".
Japan and S Korea know full well that it is China who aided and abetted, if not created, the monster in N Korea. China threw them under the tank 60 years ago. Any civilian casualties caused by NK will be on them. When you own a vicious dog and let it run loose, you are held responsible when it bites someone.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yep. Obama enabled the Iranian Nuke program with he & Kerry's appeasement of the dictators there. This even with knowledge that Iran & NK have been doing technology exchanges for quite some time.
and the alternative to the agreement was exactly what?


I don't know why this keeps needing be stated but the deal with Iran involved 5 countries, it wasn't just "Obama" and Iran is in full compliance.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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His weapons are for deterrence not conquest. Who do you think he wants to conquest?
Go back to 1950 and the origin of the Korean War and you'll find your answers.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obama administration knew about North Korea's miniaturized nukes in 2013 - Told Press to Downplay it.


Of course the cited article does not say anyone knew about N Korea's nukes in 2013, only that "DIA had determined with “moderate confidence” that North Korea has the capability to make a nuclear weapon small enough to be launched with a ballistic missile.

Having the capability to do something is assuredly not the same as doing it and determining with "moderate confidence" is most certainly not the same as actually knowing something. More half-truths and distortion from the Obama obsessed.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Diplomacy is always a better option than going to war, unless a country led an outright attack on us I don't see us taking any action.
Exactly! War should always be out last resort! Now we have this clown in the White House instigating war..
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Go back to 1950 and the origin of the Korean War and you'll find your answers.
North Korea (25 million) has no plans to attack and occupy South Korea (51 million). Don't use that as an excuse to attack North Korea.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Diplomacy is always a better option than going to war, unless a country led an outright attack on us I don't see us taking any action.
All these pro-war big talking right wingers, (using this occasion to bash Clinton and Obama) and trying to claim that our own nutjob of a president is any more rational than Kim Jong un (he has already proven he's not) are the same warhawks who those on the left argued with when Bush and Cheney wanted to invade Iraq.

Same arguments, same crap, same reasons the US needs to 'do' something.

These are the same hypocrites, 15 years after the incredible blunder of invading and starting a war with Iraq, now claim but, but, but they were never for the Iraq War. Liars.

All of you backing Trump's Fire and Fury and wanting to go after NK--you go to the front lines or send your kids. Your macho BS along with Trump's will destroy the rest of us. This is the reason we didn't want a lying, thin-skinned, confrontational lunatic, ignorant of world affairs or history, for a president. NK won't start this war--Trump will and all you backing him better own it.
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