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Old 08-10-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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Two grand juries.
Grand juries are typically used in investigations. To not use them is what raises eyebrows.
Using grand juries takes some of load off of the investigators, since they are used to sift through info, etc., which leaves the investigators free to look at other things.

Sixteen prosecutors.
Not odd at all since a lot of people worked in the campaigns. We can't expect Mueller to still be investigation this 15 years from now, can we?

Subpoenas.
Again, typically used in investigations.
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The raid came immediately - i.e., the next morning - after Manafort's interrogation by Senate intel committee.

IMO it's pretty clear that the questions went in a direction Manafort didn't anticipate. Like every other 2-bit thug who thought he was smarter than everyone else, Manafort was caught flat-footed. The FBI moved in before he could get he could get a grip and figure out a way to keep all that offshore $$$ without wiping out his access to same.
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Grand juries and subpoenas are used when an investigation has enough information to push it forward to the next step. If this was a witch hunt it would have not gotten to those steps, much less a pre-dawn raid on target's house.
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Getting a judge to approve this search warrant means there was sufficient proof that Manafort was withholding information, this is serious and far from a normal outcome from a grand jury. Search warrants are not granted just based on suspicion.
Grand juries are not empaneled nor are search warrants granted without evidence.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Grand juries are not empaneled nor are search warrants granted without evidence.
I recall the search of general Petraeus home and the congressman William Jefferson, the next step after the search is usually an indictiment.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So wording in the search warrant that the judge signed indicated "we are just looking for stuff and he might have it", come on. There needs to be a probable cause they will find criminal evidence during the search. One of the papers indicate they were looking for tax documents and foreign banking records if true there are some holes in Manafort's claimed cooperation. This is not to be dismissed as inconsequential.

The warrant should be public record. If it in fact exists.

They wanted all his communications and dealing with the Easter Bunny. When he didn't produce it.....

This was all arranged by lawyers per the warrant and everything was cooperative, as reported. There was no SWAT raid, or 3 dozen FBI goons packing stuff out.

It was so low-key it took 2 weeks to report it, in the day of the "Leak"
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I recall the search of general Petraeus home and the congressman William Jefferson, the next step after the search is usually an indictiment.

Both government paid officials. Not private citizens. That makes a very big difference.

As a private citizen, it is not illegal to exercise your 1st and 4th amendments together.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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well this was under the NEW FBI boss watch.. sooo wait and see little children- wait and see
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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I recall the search of general Petraeus home and the congressman William Jefferson, the next step after the search is usually an indictiment.
I suspect this time around they are using what they found to get Manafort to flip.

I wondered what thread team Mueller would decide would be best to use to start pulling on to unravel this mess. Manafort makes sense.

Flynn might be good but less reliable than Manafort.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Okay, I lost interest and track of the whole Russian/collusion conspiracy long ago -- what are they accusing Manafort of exactly? They think he colluded with Russia to do WHAT??
After all this time, is there any evidence of Manafort colluding?
We will find out after the investigation has concluded.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Fortunately there seems to be traction on the Clinton Foundation as well as calls to investigate Lynch, Comey, the Clintons and possibly even Obama about the infamous tarmac meeting before Hillary's interrogation. Getting over 400 of their emails via the Freedom of Information Act is a good start!

Americans are sick of this two-tiered justice system where political elites get away with crimes while the average citizen goes to jail for a fraction of what the elites do.
You gotta have a dream, I guess.

When you have something concrete, take it to Congress. I'm sure they'll want to know.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Is that why they offered her a plea bargain. Lol.
The only place anything like that is reported in in Newsmax and InfoWars, neither of which is anything but tabloid crap.

In short, there is no plea bargain. More fake news, from fake news organizations who make their money spoon feeding the weak minded who only want to read things to confirm their bias.

Wake me up when the plea bargain is covered by the BBC, Reuters, the Guardian, or Al Jazeera.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Outside of Russia Russia Russia? That was not suppose to happen.
That is the same as the Communist, show me the man and I will find you the crime. It proves that it is a witch hunt to find anything, not just Russia Russia Russia.
They didn't raid his home in the sense everyone has come to know, with swat teams and them hauling out stuff and the police tape.

They are sensationalizing it as a raid, but all it was was 2 agents, coming to his home, arranged by the lawyers. They didn't know they would be knocking on the door in the pre-dawn hours, but they knew they were coming that day. This was the arrangement to turn over everything the FBI had asked for.

That is why there was no leak until yesterday. It was not a "Raid" like we always see on TV... no neighbors even knew and there was no evidence of a swat raid, with dozens of people walking around for hours.


In the case of Roger Stone, the FBI requested he turn over all communications with Vlad Putin and any Russian ambassadors. He has none, so he is expecting them to come to his home also, in the same manner.
The FBI is requesting things they don't have.... Because they have not turned over what was request, because it does not exist, the FBI had to get a grand Jury to get these warrants, but only so they can go retrieve and harass.

In other words, the FBI is looking for the crime, when no crime was committed.
Source, please.
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