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In this man's opinion people like the Manson clan are why we used to build gallows. The entire tribe should have done the "long drop on a short rope dance".
If they took Manson out and put him up on the gallows I would volunteer to pull the switch myself. And some of the Manson girls like Susan Adkins were sociopaths and would probably always be a threat. But I believe that Van Houten and probably Patricia Krenwinkel too would have eventually turned out to be good people if they hadn't gotten involved with Manson. They were foolish mixed up kids who were corrupted and misled by the incarnation of pure evil in the person of Charles Manson.
If they took Manson out and put him up on the gallows I would volunteer to pull the switch myself. And some of the Manson girls like Susan Adkins were sociopaths and would probably always be a threat. But I believe that Van Houten and probably Patricia Krenwinkel too would have eventually turned out to be good people if they hadn't gotten involved with Manson. They were foolish mixed up kids who were corrupted and misled by the incarnation of pure evil in the person of Charles Manson.
I agree that Van Houten and Krenwinkel were never the obvious psychos that the others are.
Nevertheless, they're not getting out as long as Brown has anything to say about it. And I think that's the right decision.
Lots of people in prison need counseling, and I'm good with Van Houten ending her days providing it. Call it a partial payment on the moral restitution she owes.
One might note how many in this thread have said they would or they support killing another human.
Capital punishment would be a good topic for another thread. The topic of this thread is whether or not Leslie Van Houten should be released on parole.
Capital punishment would be a good topic for another thread. The topic of this thread is whether or not Leslie Van Houten should be released on parole.
I'm not the one who started the discussions about how we should have killed her long ago.
Yup. A halfway house is the only place I can see where she could possibly go now. Van Houten essentially would be Van Winkle, asleep for 50 years, awake as an old woman, wandering in a society that would be so strange as to be unrecognizable to her.
And since she has a master's in counseling, she could probably help other inmates who were transitioning to life on the outside.
Even so, I'm sure Brown will turn her parole down again. Even if he leaves office, releasing her would be a blow to his party politically.
But after reading everything about the Manson family I could find, ever since the murders occurred, I don't think I would fear Leslie Van Houten at all now. There were 3 Manson girls who were dangerous; Sandra Goode, Squeaky Fromme, and Susan Atkins. All of them were murderous. Goode may have murdered her ex-husband in England, Fromme tried to assassinate President Ford, and Atkins was a psychopath who would have killed again if ever given the chance.
Atkins died in prison, but the other two are free and are living together (or very close to it).
I would not fear Van Houten living with me now, but I would surely fear Goode and Fromme.
They were both Charlie's facilitators, family recruiters, and are still his faithful lieutenants all these years later. If more murder would get Charlie out of prison, they would do it in a heartbeat.
It was just by chance neither of them were in the cars sent out to do both sets of murders.
I think Charlie may not have wanted either to go because they were valuable to him; all the others were expendable.
Well than Mike we here in CA will send her to you in Idaho. She can live with you. Maybe you can teach her the banjo, just hide the knives and sleep with one eye open.
No, a halfway house won't work. Not fair to others in the house. She isn't "wired" right, get it? Some poor soul who might have a drug problem or a minor criminal record doesn't want to be under the same roof as her. No one does.
She can't function in society, there is no "transitioning", she is over 70, she needs to die in prison.
So what if she earned two degrees? She didn't pay for them.
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Whether she is a threat or not she does not deserve to be amongst the public. Those she murdered have been denied life. They are gone forever. No one can "claim" that she is not a threat. There are elderly people who murder others. People who thought little granny and grandpa were the nicest person around. Plus she has already murdered before so she has the propensity to do it again in my book. Evil never dies until it takes its last breath.
Well than Mike we here in CA will send her to you in Idaho. She can live with you. Maybe you can teach her the banjo, just hide the knives and sleep with one eye open.
No, a halfway house won't work. Not fair to others in the house. She isn't "wired" right, get it? Some poor soul who might have a drug problem or a minor criminal record doesn't want to be under the same roof as her. No one does.
She can't function in society, there is no "transitioning", she is over 70, she needs to die in prison.
So what if she earned two degrees? She didn't pay for them.
You are really worked up about this woman. I will guarantee you, without any reservation, that there are parolees released right in your county that are more dangerous than her. I don't even have to know what county you are in either. Perhaps you should be more worried about them.
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