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No, the mullahs didn't restore it. In 1979? LOL...they were smart enough to know that the CIA would've destroyed it again. And of course, they're right.
Be serious. Iran had been the UK's vassal.
And the Mullah's were cheering when Mossadegh was deposed.
One can bemoan the toppling of their democracy as we both do. That does not preclude us from disliking the gang of psychos that run the place now. Or the Shah back in the day.
Seems to me Iran could use a good dose of responsible and democratic government, home grown of course.
Several mid sixties articles in Field and Stream about sheep hunts in Iran. Touted a must do sportman's destination.
Obama turning his back on the Iranian people when they rose up to defy the mullahs, will go down in history as 'one' of many galactic foreign policy blunders of the novelty election winner and well spoken community organizer.
the Iranian people were far more aligned with the west than Iraq, that was an intellignec blunder under GWB. Should have invaded Iran and not Iraq. If you trust Hillary, she was all for it.
Obama did the right thing. It's not our business to get involved in Iranian affairs.
So what if they defied the mullahs? What were we supposed to do? Screw it all up like we did in '53? Because that's exactly what would've happened.
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Be serious. Iran had been the UK's vassal.
And the Mullah's were cheering when Mossadegh was deposed.
One can bemoan the toppling of their democracy as we both do. That does not preclude us from disliking the gang of psychos that run the place now. Or the Shah back in the day.
Seems to me Iran could use a good dose of responsible and democratic government, home grown of course.
Ajax was an American operation from top to bottom. I already know who was whose vassal. That's irrelevant because the British got us to do what they were either unwilling or incapable of doing, so there's no sense in blaming them for anything. John Foster Dulles did it with the acquiescence of Ike.
And no, we're not precluded from disliking the "gang of psychos" as you call them, that run the country today. But they don't care whether we like them or not, and I don't blame them.
Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government. They have long embodied this struggle. It is we who need to be taught. It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government, the first in the Middle East, and install the compliant shah in power. It was Washington that forced Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who cared as much for his country as he did for the rule of law and democracy, to spend the rest of his life under house arrest. We gave to the Iranian people the corrupt regime of the shah and his savage secret police and the primitive clerics that rose out of the swamp of the dictator’s Iran. Iranians know they once had a democracy until we took it away.
And the Mullah's were cheering when Mossadegh was deposed.
One can bemoan the toppling of their democracy as we both do. That does not preclude us from disliking the gang of psychos that run the place now. Or the Shah back in the day.
Seems to me Iran could use a good dose of responsible and democratic government, home grown of course.
That's the key.
Natural democracy supported by the West in any other manner except the use of foreign military could result in a powerful ally in the middle east.
The Iranian people want nothing to do with American policies that created the Taliban, ISIS, and friends. They learned their lesson.
You don't want to talk about Iran. You just wanted to moralize a little as a lead-in to signalling your 'approved' disapproval of Americans' lack of worldly acumen ... at least as compared to your own.
You alerted us to your status as an intellectual by aligning yourself with "the rest of the world" at the expense of Americans. Of course you're a leftist. That's what you do. That's who you're signalling to. Coyotes yelp to be heard by other coyotes.
You nullified your credibility as someone who simply wants to discuss history.
I find your outrage interesting considering your first post on the thread:
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L->R
Hot-ish, gay, twelve (geez), can't tell, AAACCK!
Some got a raw deal from fundamentalist Islam. Others may have benefited from head-to-toe burlap.
Tell me, what part of your post highlights your credibility in and intellectualism and a desire to truly discuss the history of Iran an the role America played in it?
Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government. They have long embodied this struggle. It is we who need to be taught. It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government, the first in the Middle East, and install the compliant shah in power. It was Washington that forced Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who cared as much for his country as he did for the rule of law and democracy, to spend the rest of his life under house arrest. We gave to the Iranian people the corrupt regime of the shah and his savage secret police and the primitive clerics that rose out of the swamp of the dictator’s Iran. Iranians know they once had a democracy until we took it away.
We have a way of breaking countries. Look what Bush2 did with his failed wars...
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