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Old 08-11-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Because they are fascists.

Fascism is a mutation of leftism. Mussolini was a leftist before he was a fascist.
Christianity was a mutation from Judaism, ergo Christians are Jews? I agree there is some ideological overlap because Mussolini was a leftist before he renounced socialism and adopted fascism.

Far Leftists, Communists, Anarchists ARE NOT fascists. Use your brain people. This is embarrassing for conservatives.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:59 PM
 
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With all due respect OP it really seems like you are actually manufacturing this argument, and then getting yourself a little worked up over it. Like, WHO is expressing "hate" here? It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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Then he wasn't a leftist. Translation: leftists aren't fascists.
Let's not kid ourselves.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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Christianity was a mutation from Judaism, ergo Christians are Jews? I agree there is some ideological overlap because Mussolini was a leftist before he renounced socialism and adopted fascism.

Far Leftists, Communists, Anarchists ARE NOT fascists. Use your brain people. This is embarrassing for conservatives.
Islam is a mutation from Judaism.

Anarchists are not leftists. They are extreme right wing.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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With all due respect OP it really seems like you are actually manufacturing this argument, and then getting yourself a little worked up over it. Like, WHO is expressing "hate" here? It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
I was called a fascist and sent some pretty nasty PMs. I am not getting worked up, I am just answering a lot of the posts on here. Some of them are a bit frustrating because I am not understanding their logic. It's a bit perplexing. Some of them use the term figuratively and some literally. Basically that it boils down to action, not to ideology, yet they cite the Nazis as an example.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Islam is a mutation from Judaism.

Anarchists are not leftists. They are extreme right wing.
Anarcho-capitalists, you mean. All anarchists would describe themselves as being on the left and would call themselves socialist too. They're just anti-state socialist. I know that concept probably blew your mind but their ideology is to abolish the state and form the Paris Commune.

That is what a lot of these ideologies look to, the so called Paris Commune of 1871. Haven't you read any Bakunin or Emma Goldman?? You're way off buddy.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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They're communist tactics. Did you think only fascists suppressed free thought?

I just think you guys are reducing fascism/fascist to a buzzword. It's intellectually lazy and shows a lack of critical thinking about the history of these two opposing movements.
Did you ever consider that you have been misinformed as to what constitutes fascism, and are projecting your misinformation upon conservatives, moderates and even some liberals that think the American left is using fascist tactics?
Lets face it, if you look into the words true origins/history (using real reference material, not crap like Wiki) you would see it came from Benito Mussolini’s organization, the Fasci.

Regardless, whether you call leftist agitators and malcontents in America, communists, fascists, socialist, progressives, or liberals, they are the ones carrying out violence, not those on the moderate/conservative side of the spectrum.
So worry less about labels, and instead how to stop the leftist assault on freedom of thought/expression with their weapon of Political Correctness run amok.


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Old 08-11-2017, 03:22 PM
 
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Did you ever consider that you have been misinformed as to what constitutes fascism, and are projecting your misinformation upon conservatives, moderates and even some liberals that think the American left is using fascist tactics?
Lets face it, if you look into the words true origins/history (using real reference material, not crap like Wiki) you would see it came from Benito Mussolini’s organization, the Fasci.

Regardless, whether you call leftist agitators and malcontents in America, communists, fascists, socialist, progressives, or liberals, they are the ones carrying out violence, not those on the moderate/conservative side of the spectrum.
So worry less about labels, and instead how to stop the leftist assault on freedom of thought/expression with their weapon of Political Correctness run amok.


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If you read my posts on here you would see I am much more concerned about it that than throwing around useless buzzwords or political slurs.

Actual ideological Fascism of the early 20th century was NOT a left wing movement. You're either being totally dishonest or are ignorant of the history. The roots of Fascism do have some slight overlap with socialists but the overall ideology is right wing. Right wing in the European sense, not the American sense. We as conservatives are right wing within our political spectrum, but Europe runs the gamut on right wing ideologies from pro-Monarchy to fascism. It's anti-Enlightenment, anti-liberal. American conservatives are the classical liberals.

Fascism rejects all that we know of to mean conservative and right wing here in this country. They're anti-Republican, anti-democracy.

You guys are just saying that the left wing agitators are behaving like fascists because it's politically convenient. So this is where the logic gets twisted because you guys use the term figuratively or literally when it suits you.

IF you were to just call them what they are communists or socialists or anarchists, does that really take anything away from their destructive tactics? Why do you need to call them fascists? How does that help? Does it give them an extra dose of evil to call them that? If you knew anything about history you'd know the Communists were worse than the fascists when it came to ideological control and total destruction.

That is my point.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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Why? Because right-wingers are utterly ignorant about the spiteful terms they throw around so loosely.

Not only do they have no clue what fascism means - nor understand that their extremist views are closer to fascism than anything the "dirty liberals" belief, they also fail to understand other basic concepts. For example, socialism is NOT the same as communism. And the Soviet Union wasn't communist for perhaps more than a few weeks until it turned into a petty - but powerful - dictatorship that paid lip-service to communism just to keep the rubes (Trump voter equivalents) fooled. Finally, paying your taxes is not the same as "socialism."

So, until the right-wing extremists can stop following the train of fail-logic of: paying taxes = socialism = communism = USSR = all liberals are evil, don't expect them to understand more advanced concepts, such as what fascism is, and why they are a bunch of hypocrites for wanting a government too small to pave the roads but large enough to monitor the bedrooms and temples for the "wrong" kinds of sex and religion.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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Far Leftists, Communists, Anarchists ARE NOT fascists. Use your brain people. This is embarrassing for conservatives.
It would be embarrassing for right-wingers, expect they don't care about facts; after all, they voted for Trump because "he's a Christian, a great-businessman, and more honest than Hillary." Right...

Every right-wing complaint and whine can basically be summed up with "I don't like it, therefore it is wrong and should be illegal." That covers everything from gays to minorities to other religions to gun control - the whole nine yards. When they can, they fall back on religion to justify their stupid spite, but when that fails, they just toss around grand, sweeping insults, like calling people "fascists" while failing to know what the words means or see the hypocrisy in their actions. But - again - facts don't matter with them, so don't expect it get any better.
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