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Old 08-19-2017, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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His car was attacked from behind. Clear evidence in the video and still frame images. The loud smack could have been anything from a flagpole strike to a rock/bottle thrown at him/his car, or a gunshot attack that struck his car. The sound of the impact is that loud on the video. It is reasonable behavior to flee an attack on one's person or one's personal possessions.
Flee an attack by driving toward stopped cars and into pedestrians? Really? Any reasonable person, including those on a jury, would see this defense as absurd.

 
Old 08-19-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Let's go the bigger picture: The U R protest was called off at around 11:30 and the U R people can be seen marching away from the park at around noon. Nearly all the U R people got into their cars and left. All protests were deemed unlawful. After U R was gone, AntiFa/BLM was creating new mini protests a few blocks away. There were no U R people to protest against on the streets. Around two hours later the Police were cleaning up the area and streets near the park. From all photos after 1:00pm there were no U R groups seen. After 1:00pm the street AntiFa/BLM was seen on had automotive traffic moving in all directions. This was seen by the aerial video from the helicopter. AntiFa/BLM most likely collected together at this intersection due the Parking Garage was behind them and that is where most of them most likely parked or moved their cars too. There was no need for the Police to be there as that was a open street and there was no action there. They were all in the intersection, nearly no people anywhere in any other direction from that intersection and when they were ready they headed north on 4th to have a protest for the sake of having a protest.

Now let's look at the driver. Between 11:30 and 1:30 there is no accounting yet of where he was. Assumption was he went to his hotel room to collect up his stuff and go to the parking garage to get his car. If he were using GPS it would have taken him down 4th street in order to get to Monticello Street which would've taken him to route 64 and away from the city. As there was a high Police presence on E Market Street where all the action did occur, he most likely sped up to get out of town more quickly.

By Murphy's Law, they both met at the intersection.

After the Driver backed up to E Market St, He drove east slowly past all the Police still clearing the area. If he were using GPS, we was waiting for it to recalculate a new route to get to route 64 and ended up far east in a residential area ( He still needed to get to Monticello Ave to get to route 64). From where he had to meander through the residential area which at some time he was stopped and arrested.
Thanks for your write-up. Good to have more information from local papers etc. or whatever source you checked. It does seem to match the impressions I'd formed - that the area was generally peaceful with traffic again moving as people headed out of town.

One comment I'd make is that I would not refer to the counter-protestors as AntiFa/BLM as a GROUP. Sure, both the AntiFa and BLM were present perhaps even in substantial numbers but many, many of the counter-protestors seemed to be ordinary Charlottesville citizens or concerned folks from out of town not affiliated with the AntiFa or BLM. Heather and her friends were, of course, from Charlottesville.

The other comment is that while there may have been what is accurately labelled as "mini protests" continuing, I'd received the impression that the main crowd of counter-protestors was more celebrating than "protesting" as they chanted "No our streets." The whole point of the Unite the Right rally was less about Gen. Lee and more about taking over the streets of a liberal city and now they were (from the point of the view of the counter-protestors) once again repelled.

Do you disagree?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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What happened that made the driver fear for his life? I hope his snowflake defense is not that his car was hit with a pole!
Already mentioned that the AntiFA/BLM people surrounded his car, smashed holes into his rear window, smashed his passenger window and tore off his passenger mirror. Are you telling us you would have just sat there and let it continue and not fear for your life during those moments? You are confusing two different pole hits to his car. The first was when he drove down the street where a person hit his rear tail light and the second after the crash where people were smashing his rear window.

This is what they were hitting his car with during the second time:
https://www.united-states-flag.com/6...yABEgIrGPD_BwE

This was used as a weapon.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Already mentioned that the AntiFA/BLM people surrounded his car, smashed holes into his rear window, smashed his passenger window and tore off his passenger mirror. Are you telling us you would have just sat there and let it continue and not fear for your life during those moments? You are confusing two different pole hits to his car. The first was when he drove down the street where a person hit his rear tail light and the second after the crash where people were smashing his rear window.

This is what they were hitting his car with during the second time:
https://www.united-states-flag.com/6...yABEgIrGPD_BwE

This was used as a weapon.
Nope, not seeing any of what you allege in the video. His car is fully intact when he is driving in excessive speed considering the pedestrians in front and around his car. Any damage that might have been done to his car was done by the pedestrians in self defense of a driver plowing into pedestrians.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lly/562220001/
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Flee an attack by driving toward stopped cars and into pedestrians? Really?
Yes, really. Look at the cars in another Charlottesville intersection nearly slam into each other in a panicked attempt to try to escape the violence-crazed counter-protester mob chasing them even before their cars were physically attacked by the mob (at about 1:50 in the video):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzhqO3iYlxk

The azzholes were throwing cement-filled soda cans at people and cars (also seen in the above video after about the 1:50 mark):

https://twitter.com/WardDPatrick/sta...21370678185986

You think it's unreasonable to flee that insanity? No jury in the world will believe that.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Still frames show different perspectives. The brake light seen in the still is a partial second when he depressed the brake pedal to shift from Drive into Reverse. Per the video he slowed down. He did not hit his brakes to slow down. He either took his foot off of the accelerator or he engine braked by doing a quick shift to a L gear.
He did not put the car into reverse until he made impact with the car in front of him, look at the videos that have been posted. He was driving toward the crowd, unassaulted when someone struck the rear of his car with what looks like a flagpole. The car was moving at the time and continued moving forward after being hit with the flagpole. Good God
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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What happened that made the driver fear for his life? I hope his snowflake defense is not that his car was hit with a pole!
It's likely the driver left his home that morning fearful.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Thanks for your write-up. Good to have more information from local papers etc. or whatever source you checked. It does seem to match the impressions I'd formed - that the area was generally peaceful with traffic again moving as people headed out of town.

One comment I'd make is that I would not refer to the counter-protestors as AntiFa/BLM as a GROUP. Sure, both the AntiFa and BLM were present perhaps even in substantial numbers but many, many of the counter-protestors seemed to be ordinary Charlottesville citizens or concerned folks from out of town not affiliated with the AntiFa or BLM. Heather and her friends were, of course, from Charlottesville.

The other comment is that while there may have been what is accurately labelled as "mini protests" continuing, I'd received the impression that the main crowd of counter-protestors was more celebrating than "protesting" as they chanted "No our streets." The whole point of the Unite the Right rally was less about Gen. Lee and more about taking over the streets of a liberal city and now they were (from the point of the view of the counter-protestors) once again repelled.

Do you disagree?
If we take the car out of the picture and just discuss the people, most of the group was out of towners. They were no longer a group of counter-protesters. They were a group of protesters lead by AntiFa/BLM who were heading back in the direction of the park. There were some Charlottesville citizens mixed in, but they were the minority. IMPOV they going back to protest at or near the park and the people they were going to confront were the Police. This was a organized event that was most likely going to happen if the U R protest would have happened as scheduled time of noon instead of three hours earlier. All the mini protests IMHO in the afternoon were the planned ones no one bothered to cancel after the U R protest was cancelled.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:35 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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He did not put the car into reverse until he made impact with the car in front of him, look at the videos that have been posted. He was driving toward the crowd, unassaulted when someone struck the rear of his car with what looks like a flagpole. The car was moving at the time and continued moving forward after being hit with the flagpole. Good God
Read my post a few times until it sinks in that I typed
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The brake light seen in the still is a partial second when he depressed the brake pedal to shift from Drive into Reverse
. You have to press the Brake Pedal in order to shift gears.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Read my post a few times until it sinks in that I typed .

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The brake light seen in the still is a partial second when he depressed the brake pedal to shift from Drive into Reverse
You have to press the Brake Pedal in order to shift gears.
He didn't go into reverse after the blue-shirted attacker struck his car. He accelerated forward, slammed into the stopped cars, and THEN reversed. Clearly shown in the video captured from behind the car.
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