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Old 08-14-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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First off, BLM, didn't start a damn thing...
I stopped reading right there. I suppose a rival white supremacist group showed up to start trouble with the original white supremacists. The old saying goes "it takes two to tango" but the left must be exempt from this at all times, yea?
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Seems odd that both liberals and some RINOs are constantly complaining that Trump REFUSED to blame the white nationalist movement for 100% of the violence, they demand he single them out for all the violence. BLM and antifa started the whole mess. But for some reason, no one is demanding they even be named, much less held responsible. Why?
Who knew BLM predates the KKK? So, BLM was in existence before the 1900s? Learn something new everyday.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: NYC
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If the Blackshirts would've allowed the White Nationalists to have their little protest none of this would have happened. It was ONE guy who killed people with his car, by the way. As usual, this country is making a mountain out of a molehill.
The issue is very real and needs to be made a mountain. The KKK used to wear hoods to hide their identity. The current climate has made this type of group mainstream and comfortable standing up and saying that minorities are less than. That minorities don't deserve jobs. Did you see the flyer and the invite to this protest from the KKK? "End Jewish Influence in America".

This is not something that America stands for. It is being normalized by this administration which is why so many people are up in arms.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Seems odd that both liberals and some RINOs are constantly complaining that Trump REFUSED to blame the white nationalist movement for 100% of the violence, they demand he single them out for all the violence. BLM and antifa started the whole mess. But for some reason, no one is demanding they even be named, much less held responsible. Why?
Because those people didn't vote for him.

I want to be clear on something; the only reason I'm bothered by Trump not specifically calling out neo-nazis and/or white supremacists is becasue he seemed appalled that Obama wouldn't call out radical Islam. Trump is an unrepentant hypocrite, and I feel confident saying that anyone who disagrees with this statement is either blind or stupid.

And let's not pretend the reasons for both not addressing a specific, which in normal circumstances doesn't really bother me that much to begin with, are different. Obama wouldn't say 'radical Islam' because it shines a light on Islam, which is politically unpopular with his base. Trump won't go after white supremacists becasue it's too much like liberal identity politics, and more cynically, those white supremacists almost certainly voted for Trump.

I think both men should be able to address either without it being a political controversy. But if they don't, I don't lose sleep. But Trump cannot get away with doing the same things he criticized his predecessor for and I consider the Trump voters who refuse to understand that to be nothing short of completely stupid.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NC
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If the Blackshirts would've allowed the White Nationalists to have their little protest none of this would have happened. It was ONE guy who killed people with his car, by the way. As usual, this country is making a mountain out of a molehill.
And if MLK had kept his mouth shut, a lot less Blacks would have been hung by racist pigs in the 60's.

That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard. You are blaming people for peacefully standing up against un American values for then being murdered or harassed. They have a first amendment right to speak out against it (and no, they did not try to stop your racist buddies on the right from having their hissy-fit, they only wanted to speak out against it. In fact, as American's, we all have a DUTY to speak out against racism and hate.

And it was one guy who killed with his car, but it was a lot more who incited violence on those peacefully protesting their message of hate, and it was a lot more who marched on the town with their tiki-torches, trying to invoke KKK messaging and intimidate those who don't agree with their brand of white supremacy.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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Seems odd that both liberals and some RINOs are constantly complaining that Trump REFUSED to blame the white nationalist movement for 100% of the violence, they demand he single them out for all the violence. BLM and antifa started the whole mess. But for some reason, no one is demanding they even be named, much less held responsible. Why?
Critical thinking isn't a progressives forte? At emotionally reacting they are superior to conservatives. Maybe it's my bad reading, but it appears Trump denounced all violence. This seems inclusive to me, but progressives seem to have read or heard something else.

Lets think about this for a second. The NAZI party was the National German Workers Socialist Party, the KKK was the terrorist wing of the DNC, AntiFA is the newly created DNC fascist assault team. So we have a bunch of Democrats killing each other and blaming Republicans. This can only happen when we have no sense of our own history and our media ram a false narrative down our throats.

NAZI Socialist - ational Socialist German Workers' Party (German: About this sound Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party to hear how it is pronounced see -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...iterpartei.ogg note despite this being a socialist party, and Hitler inserting socialist into the name, and it behaving as a socialist party, Wikipedia refers to it as a far right party, it was always a far left party. Same with communism, far left. Nazi was big government, free medical care, guaranteed income, large government works projects, even vacations were paid for by the government. A socialist wet dream, yet today progressives refer to this very socialist party as right wing.

KKK created by Democrats -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZ7l4Rygo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo

AntiFA and DNC - https://www.conservativereview.com/a...t-to-expose-it

https://shadowproof.com/2017/02/25/p...t-soros-trump/
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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First off, BLM, didn't start a damn thing. I don't know the other acronym, but ALL.......ALL RACIST issues in this country are started by, whites. Always has, always will be,it is the nature of the disease.

Having said that. All violence from either side of the issue, regardless of how it was started is dead wrong.


The first actions of violence, were from Antifa and BLM, in the street, when they tried to grab one of the rebel flags.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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If the Blackshirts would've allowed the White Nationalists to have their little protest none of this would have happened. It was ONE guy who killed people with his car, by the way. As usual, this country is making a mountain out of a molehill.
What about that time one guy killed a bunch of cops and Obama was apparently not sufficiently pro-cop? Is that stupid too?

Maybe you think it is, but I've become cynical due to the rampant hypocrisy on this forum. I just assume the worst now.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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Really? It was worldwide news for about a week during the Berkley riots
So instead of an article, you sent a 2 second gif. I was flat on my back in the hospital during the Berkley riots. Forgive me for not being on top of it. It does seem pretty disingenuous though. You have an opportunity to speak your mind to someone who is not attacking you in any way.

I am right there with you. If this is a group that incites violence and it is not being condemned roundly, that is a travesty.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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The first actions of violence, were from Antifa and BLM, in the street, when they tried to grab one of the rebel flags.
Progressives don't think if they let the protesters have the afternoon at the statute, no violence would have occurred, and it would have been over. If a bunch of idiots want to parade around my town, and pull a permit, let them enjoy themselves and their vagina hats for the permitted period then go home. The essence of the first amendment is even hateful speech is protected. Democrats have protected the right to burn, and deface the American flag for many generations. It is almost a right of passage for a Democrat to burn his first American flag at a protest. At the most recent protest one progressive who burned an American flag caught fire, and his friends kept the firemen away thinking they were police (you know because both wear uniforms). Tough to make this stuff up, left to themselves some progressives will self immolate. Just toss in a few American flags.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/07/...protests-flag/

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Among those arrested was Gregory “Joey” Johnson, whose torching of the flag at a GOP convention three decades ago led to the landmark 1989 U.S. Supreme Court decision that said flag-burning is speech protected by the First Amendment.

Moments after the flag was set on fire, officers charged in to put it out with an extinguishing spray that some in the crowd thought was pepper spray because of similarities in the design of the canisters and the eye irritation caused by the fire-suppression substance.

Firefighters extinguished and took the flag that protesters attempted to destroy pic.twitter.com/8y63HApqnP

— Cleveland Police (@CLEpolice) July 20, 2016
“You’re on fire! You’re on fire, stupid!” a Cleveland officer shouted at a protester while firing the extinguishing spray.
This stuff can not be made up.

At 38 seconds in you can see the fire starter catching fire himself while gleefully dancing on a burning American flag - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8f86H5DYLo

Police were told putting out the man on fire was touching him and against the law. The group was very angry at police spraying fire retardant on burning people and 15 or so arrests had to be made. Note the linked video has profanity directed toward America and it's flag by Democrat protesters. It is for adults, not children. Come to think of it it this video has Democrats using profanity at police, and just about everything around them.

Then Democrats wonder why they lost the America loving working class.

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