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Fascism is by its nature anti-liberal. If you look at the world history of fascism it is hard to find any fascist regimes that originated from liberal or leftists beliefs. They are antithetical to fascism.
I'm just say'n.....
Liberal this, liberal that.....republican this, republican that. Give it a rest already.
'Politics' refers to action in the public space. It comes from the Greek word 'polis' which refers to both the city-state and the citizenry. 'Polis' is also the root word of policy.
Essentially, what is political is about public discourse. Fascists oppose discourse. They break down the political, but denying any separation of private and public space. Public space has been replaced by private space, but only for one person as fascists put their faith in a single leader, who generally has absolute control, or is the leader of the single legal party. Fascists opposes the political ideas the West built; all of them, raging from Plato to Keynes.
'Politics' refers to action in the public space. It comes from the Greek word 'polis' which refers to both the city-state and the citizenry. 'Polis' is also the root word of policy.
Essentially, what is political is about public discourse. Fascists oppose discourse. They break down the political, but denying any separation of private and public space. Public space has been replaced by private space, but only for one person as fascists put their faith in a single leader, who generally has absolute control, or is the leader of the single legal party. Fascists opposes the political ideas the West built; all of them, raging from Plato to Keynes.
It's anti-political because it ends all politics.
Well, that's why we disagree.
There is no "public space".
There is only private property and unclaimed property.
Fascists control through politics/policy. Interaction or lack of interaction is decided by force thus making it overtly political.
Freedom to associate or not associate is decidedly apolitical because the natural state of a person is that of being in anarchy...without a ruler.
That's why all politics is going to be fascist-like to some extent. Unless you are talking about lobbying within voluntary organizations...which I don't think you are.
People on these forums swear they know what they're talking about when they start a thread.....Having the nerve to add Liberal to this discussion is sickening and downright crazy. No liberal, no conservative dogma. Has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.
Fascist ideas were quite popular in 1930s America
In the 1930s, fascist ideas were increasingly accepted. This was reflected in the energetic growth of Nazi organizations. Ku Klux Klan rallies were common and numerous; Trump’s own father was arrested at one such rally, reportedly while wearing a Klan outfit. A 1941 book found that more than 100 such organizations had formed since 1933.
The appeal of fascist ideas extended far beyond the fringe, reaching prominent citizens such as Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. Lindbergh went so far as to praise Adolf Hitler as “undoubtedly a great man.” In 1940, Lindbergh’s wife published a bestseller that called totalitarianism “The Wave of the Future” and an “ultimately good conception of humanity.”
At the time, Jews served the same role for U.S. fascists that immigrants, Muslims and other minorities serve today: a vague but malicious threat they believed to be undermining America’s greatness. Surveys of U.S. public opinion from the 1930s are a startling reminder of just how widespread these attitudes became. As late as July 1942, a Gallup poll showed that 1 in 6 Americans thought Hitler was “doing the right thing” to the Jews. A 1940 poll found that nearly a fifth of Americans saw Jews as a national “menace” — more than any other group, including Germans. Almost a third anticipated “a widespread campaign against the Jews” — a campaign that 12 percent of Americans were willing to support.
The careers of anti-Semitic celebrities such as Catholic Rev. Charles Coughlin reflected the popular appeal of fascist ideas. Father Coughlin, as he was known, enjoyed the second-largest radio audience in the country (after President Roosevelt’s fireside chats), frequently quoted Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, and praised the Nazi quest for full employment and racial purity. He broke with Roosevelt in 1934, forming his own party, whose 1936 candidate received nearly 1 million votes. Coughlin was finally silenced by the Catholic Church in early 1942.
These voices welcoming fascism were not marginal radicals but mainstream writers, presidents of major associations and editors of popular journals. In his 1934 presidential address, the president of the American Political Science Association — the nation’s oldest and largest organization of political scientists — railed against “the dogma of universal suffrage” and argued for abolishing a democracy that allowed “the ignorant, the uninformed and the antisocial elements” to vote. If these reforms smacked of fascism, he concluded, then “we have already recognized that there is a large element of fascist doctrine and practice that we must appropriate.”
Three factors helped U.S. fascism spread
So what does the history of American fascism tell us about its resurgence? The good news is that the three major factors that drove its expansion are absent today.
The first was a major economic depression and social dislocation that undermined people’s confidence in democracy and led them to look for alternatives. As a U.S. economist complained in 1933, “democracy is neither very expert nor very quick to action” and cannot resolve “group and class conflicts easily.”
The second factor was fear of communism, which led many leading intellectuals to embrace fascism as a bulwark against Bolshevism and as the lesser of two evils. As in Europe, worries about communism intensified fascism’s appeal in the U.S. “I thank heaven for a man like Adolf Hitler,” argued popular Christian activist Frank Buchman in 1936, “who built a front line of defense against the anti-Christ of communism.”
The third factor was the rise of Nazi Germany as an economic and military powerhouse. Hitler’s ascent began a long period of German recovery, economic expansion and the swift end of unemployment in that country. By 1939, Germany had a labor shortage of 2 million people, while industrial production had more than doubled. Generations of historians have debated whether the recovery was real, but the widespread perception of German success attracted admirers regardless of its reality.
There could be a resurgence of fascism in the U.S.
Even though these three factors no longer exist, similar problems lurk under the surface of modern political life, problems that could conceivably drive a resurgence of fascist movements. The overall U.S. economy has been performing well, but levels of inequality continue to rise. Wide areas of America are increasingly mired in permanent unemployment and a massive drug epidemic. These are the sorts of economic conditions that drove fascist support in the 1930s; another major crisis like the Great Recession is likely to bolster nationalist appeals even more.
Few people worry about the communist threat today. Yet fear of communism has been replaced by fear of globalists and elite technocrats (still often tinged with anti-Semitism) who supposedly seek to undermine and control the lives of ordinary Americans. The recently uncovered National Security Council memo reflected these sentiments clearly, arguing that Trump’s opposition is made up of a cabal of Islamists, cultural Marxists and global bankers. The extreme right-wing blogger Mike Cernovich, who has been praised by Donald Trump Jr., recently published a cartoon showing national security adviser H.R. McMaster as a puppet manipulated by George Soros, who in turn was being manipulated by a monstrous green hand labeled “Rothschilds,” a historically wealthy Jewish family.
Fascism is by its nature anti-liberal. If you look at the world history of fascism it is hard to find any fascist regimes that originated from liberal or leftists beliefs. They are antithetical to fascism.
You seem to not know much about world history.
"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923
"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925
"The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933
Both of the latter two are describing socialism, which is left-wing. Both are advocating subjucating the individual to benefit the collective society. That is NOT right-wing ideology.
The word "fascism" includes fascis as its root. The meaning is "bundle" and it is used to represent collective power. Collectivism. Fascism is left-wing at its very roots.
There is only private property and unclaimed property.
Fascists control through politics/policy. Interaction or lack of interaction is decided by force thus making it overtly political.
Freedom to associate or not associate is decidedly apolitical because the natural state of a person is that of being in anarchy...without a ruler.
That's why all politics is going to be fascist-like to some extent. Unless you are talking about lobbying within voluntary organizations...which I don't think you are.
I've got a few questions about how you feel people should live in proximity to one another.
Let's start with the idea that you would do away with government. If I am wrong, please correct me, and we can proceed from there.
Conservatives in Italy supported Fascism, conservatives in Spain supported Fascism (Falangists), conservatives in France supported fascism (Révolution Nationale), conservatives in Belgium supported fascism (Rexists). All of these were very attractive to religious and social conservatives who wanted to 'turn back the clock' on what we might call social progress today. Generally the business community supported these groups financially.
Then there were the Nazi's. Hitler modeled his movement on the Fascism of Mussolini. Once again, the liberal republic was attacked, extreme nationalism was promoted and an alliance with wealthy industrialists ensued. The biggest difference was that the Nazi's viewed the churches as a threat needing to be controlled, and they did promote some quirky social experiments which conservative Christians would not have endorsed.
In all cases, Socialists were locked up, usually without benefit of trial. In the case of the Nazi's they exterminated these political opponents in the first concentration camps.
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