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First off, your personal experience can nether confirm or debunk any assertion made about the collective.
I only brought up my personal experience because I have yet to see a whole host of people who believe in such things, even in the late 20th century rural Deep South - let alone the 2010s. Let's go back to your OP
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I think a lot of whites separate themselves from white extremist groups due to not sharing the emotions of hate, all while sharing most of their reasoning concerning race. They don't have a problem with many of their beliefs about blacks, for example, as much as they have a problem with their hatred and solutions.
Its a deflection to focus on hate. The real connection is in reasoning and beliefs. Its no coincidence that these white extremist groups are almost all conservatives/libertarian/Republican. The rhetoric and mantra of the political right supports the belief and aims of white supremacy. Other than hate, the mainstream white conservative is not all that different from white nationalist. I mean, these extremist groups agenda is best carried through republican ideology.....which is why they vote republican. This is not to suggest that there are no racist white liberals, but rather, I am suggesting that the philosophy and mantra of the Republican/conservative movement implicitly supports white supremacy, at least as it relates to blacks.
This whole post implies that a lot of conservative whites believe in racial inferiority even if they don't admit it. Still, once you bring in the validity of experience, I can throw that same thing back at you. Why should I believe your views of mainstream conservatives' views on race dovetail with what is euphemistically called the "racially aware"? This brings us to science - particularly sociology, political science, even if they are "soft" sciences.
By moving it into the realm of science, even "soft science", you have the burden of proof to show evidence, articles, etc. backing up your claims (fringe scholarship publications don't count). I mean an article and evidence rigorously peer-reviewed by regardless of experience, the onus is on you for bringing in evidence by a credible researchers, whose articles are published by credible sociology organizations operating under the auspices of The National Academy of Science, The (British) Royal Society, or similar other national organizations of professional scholars. Remember, you are the one claiming that most white conservatives agree with the substance of the claims white supremacists make about race. Where's your best evidence backing that up?
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant
Secondly, even if its not the majority of conservatives who think like that.....the party would not be viable in national elections without the vote of those that do.....meaning that the party has to facilitate if not support such thinking. Finally, there is at least one white person who thinks this way, for everyone one black person in the country. Racism has never required 100% participation to be a problem for blacks.
I disagree. It's the middle 10% of the electorate in the swing states that decide presidential elections. Similar story for purple congressional districts and Senate seats in purple states. If the GOP establishment truly doesn't like white supremacists, they can ditch the supremacists and by doing so win back those who voted for Johnson or held their nose and voted for HRC - and get serious about getting money out of politics. No need to appeal to the "alt-right" to do that.
The reason that you do not hear such things is the same reason that you do not hear of people who are pedophiles talk about liking kids. If that is to hard for you to decipher, its because its is socially frowned upon and there is a social and economic cost to vocalizing such beliefs. Simply look at the fallout recently of people losing their jobs for expressing racist beliefs. Hell....even the Presidents Chief strategist has just bitten the dust over connects with his racial beliefs/ties. People don't want to risk the social and economic consequence of their beliefs by letting everyone know about them. Thus, you waiting to hear such words spoken means that you are out of touch with how stuff works.
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That's a cute story and all but since you're white us darkies don't want to use your definition of equality (despite the fact that it mirrors the exact textbook definition of it).
You see, once a victim = always a victim. And the oppressed get to make the rules and definitions. We also get to move the goal posts as we see fit.
Just accept it. You'll sleep better.
I sleep quite well, thanks.
Do you think the butt hurt people who are so busy about perceived wrongs will ever realize that not letting go is causing a backlash so that even when their complaints are justified most people just want them to **** and go away already?
Even my black buddies say they're sick of victimhood and that they wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone with that mentality. You see black posters saying the same thing in this forum. Is that considered racist?
You have no room to speak, though. While others were over how hard they had it, you were getting yourself out of the ghetto, earning advanced degrees after college, and investing in a business. What could you possibly know about needing pay back for all the sins that impacted generations before you?
Will note I always think is is rather funny that people think a lot of black people get jobs they aren't qualified for when blacks have much higher unemployment rates than whites.
I've also worked with and I'm sure many of you have, many whites who were very...I'll say ditzy and could barely do the job but because they were friends of someone who worked with us or a family member, they automatically got the job.
Will note that all sorts of unqualified people have jobs. But to think that some black person is taking your jobs when black people are less likely to be gainfully employed is rather ridiculous to me.
Blacks have a higher unemployment rate than everyone else. What should black unemployment rate be? The same or lower than whites, the same or lower than Hispanics, the same or lower than Asians? Why are whites the black's goal post and not other minority groups who are not white?
What would the black unemployment rate be without affirmative action? The same, more or less?
If people want to hire others because they like them, are friends or are related that's one thing. But the government requiring to hire people who are unlikable and unfriendly is another. It's not just a question of qualifications.
Agreed. Everything always comes back to the root assumption that we are inferior......not hate. That was the point of my original post. Too many of them associate racism with hate and since many feel no hate, may have friends who are black or date black....they don't see themselves as racist. Many think that black inferiority is a fact/truth that is demonstrated in statistics.....and hence.....truth cannot be racism.
Two or more things being different, does not imply inferior/superior or deficient per se. You are implying or really expressing that. And preferring one to the other does not infer anything other than a preference. And you don't blame the one thing for the other being different.
Blacks have a higher unemployment rate than everyone else. What should black unemployment rate be? The same or lower than whites, the same or lower than Hispanics, the same or lower than Asians? Why are whites the black's goal post and not other minority groups who are not white?
What would the black unemployment rate be without affirmative action? The same, more or less?
If people want to hire others because they like them, are friends or are related that's one thing. But the government requiring to hire people who are unlikable and unfriendly is another. It's not just a question of qualifications.
I responded to a poster who stated that blacks get jobs they are unqualified to perform. My point was that if this was true on any large scale that any old dumb black person would have any job they wanted.
Fact of the matter is that blacks are not unqualified for jobs just because they have one that you want.
The black unemployment rate should be similar to the overall unemployment rate IMO.
Note that even black university graduates in sought after fields are unemployed at a higher rate than other people. I know you all don't like to admit it, which is odd to me because it is evident in many of your posts, that prejudiced exists in the workplace in regards to hiring in particular, but it really is an issue in the workplace.
On white's being the goal post. I didn't say they were. I said that unemployment for blacks should be similar to the overall unemployment rate, which includes all types of people in the country.
Do you think the butt hurt people who are so busy about perceived wrongs will ever realize that not letting go is causing a backlash so that even when their complaints are justified most people just want them to **** and go away already?
Even my black buddies say they're sick of victimhood and that they wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone with that mentality. You see black posters saying the same thing in this forum. Is that considered racist?
You have no room to speak, though. While others were over how hard they had it, you were getting yourself out of the ghetto, earning advanced degrees after college, and investing in a business. What could you possibly know about needing pay back for all the sins that impacted generations before you?
I think a lot of whites separate themselves from white extremist groups due to not sharing the emotions of hate, all while sharing most of their reasoning concerning race. They don't have a problem with many of their beliefs about blacks, for example, as much as they have a problem with their hatred and solutions.
Its a deflection to focus on hate. The real connection is in reasoning and beliefs. Its no coincidence that these white extremist groups are almost all conservatives/libertarian/Republican. The rhetoric and mantra of the political right supports the belief and aims of white supremacy. Other than hate, the mainstream white conservative is not all that different from white nationalist. I mean, these extremist groups agenda is best carried through republican ideology.....which is why they vote republican. This is not to suggest that there are no racist white liberals, but rather, I am suggesting that the philosophy and mantra of the Republican/conservative movement implicitly supports white supremacy, at least as it relates to blacks.
Hate is neither right or wrong, good or bad. It all depends on what you are hating. If you hate tyranny, well that isn't a bad thing. If you hate socialism, that saps humanity of its ambition, again, that is a good thing.
I responded to a poster who stated that blacks get jobs they are unqualified to perform. My point was that if this was true on any large scale that any old dumb black person would have any job they wanted.
Fact of the matter is that blacks are not unqualified for jobs just because they have one that you want.
The black unemployment rate should be similar to the overall unemployment rate IMO.
Note that even black university graduates in sought after fields are unemployed at a higher rate than other people. I know you all don't like to admit it, which is odd to me because it is evident in many of your posts, that prejudiced exists in the workplace in regards to hiring in particular, but it really is an issue in the workplace.
On white's being the goal post. I didn't say they were. I said that unemployment for blacks should be similar to the overall unemployment rate, which includes all types of people in the country.
And that is a dubious point as I pointed out. You are implying that blacks are most qualified at the same rate as whites and Asians but there's no reason to believe that would be so.
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Hate is neither right or wrong, good or bad. It all depends on what you are hating. If you hate tyranny, well that isn't a bad thing. If you hate socialism, that saps humanity of its ambition, again, that is a good thing.
And if you hate people who are harmlessly different (or at most, inhibiting to themselves alone), that's a bad thing.
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about perceived wrongs will ever realize that not letting go is causing a backlash so that even when their complaints are justified most people just want them to **** and go away already? 
