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Old 08-15-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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You cant allow a neo nazi to freely shout whatever they want and to march with symbols with such hatefully charged signification. You just cant.

If you do you are a nazi yourself.
We need free flow of ideas so we know which ones to reject.


Trump is doing great things, and some powerful people aren't happy.


Those powerful people control the media narrative and they are losing and stirring up a race war, and deflecting, division is all they have left. most of us are seeing through the hype.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Those people are idiots. They don't represent the right. They don't represent Trump. Just like antifa useless scum do not represent all liberals.

The police should be prepared. They are told how many are expected (estimate) and unless they are living under a rock in a cave, they should know that antifa is going to get bussed in to start their ish. If the police do nothing, guess what happens.
Agreed but the driver. Nobody was stopping him from ramming people.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Cannes
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Why the stand down from the police?
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Been thinking a lot about the whole liberal X extreme right ordeal, and here is the thing; freedom of speech in its essence "allows" for a KKK supporter to shout whatever he/she wants the same way it allows a libera to call them whatever they wants. My question...Is there boundaries? what about hate speech? How can you have freedom of speech and hate speech at the same time?
Hate speech is a form of speech, and is therefore free speech. For better or worse.

How do we address the fact that people are becoming violent? I wish I knew. It's a cultural problem that frankly can't be solved with a law. Politicians can maybe do something to address the issue, but it won't be through a law. It's an assessment of values. We need liberals and conservatives to come together and show willingness to work together and denounce the extremists in their parties. But it's hard to do that... apparently.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Cannes
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Hate speech is a form of speech, and is therefore free speech. For better or worse.

How do we address the fact that people are becoming violent? I wish I knew. It's a cultural problem that frankly can't be solved with a law. Politicians can maybe do something to address the issue, but it won't be through a law. It's an assessment of values. We need liberals and conservatives to come together and show willingness to work together and denounce the extremists in their parties. But it's hard to do that... apparently.
true
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Been thinking a lot about the whole liberal X extreme right ordeal, and here is the thing; freedom of speech in its essence "allows" for a KKK supporter to shout whatever he/she wants the same way it allows a libera to call them whatever they wants. My question...Is there boundaries? what about hate speech? How can you have freedom of speech and hate speech at the same time?

If you don't want to hear it or see it, walk away. Go to a movie.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:59 PM
 
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Been thinking a lot about the whole liberal X extreme right ordeal, and here is the thing; freedom of speech in its essence "allows" for a KKK supporter to shout whatever he/she wants the same way it allows a libera to call them whatever they wants. My question...Is there boundaries? what about hate speech? How can you have freedom of speech and hate speech at the same time?
I don't think people should openly be carrying guns and assault weapons in any protest. it is too threatening. If new local laws need to be created to enforce this, so be it.

There should be a huge police presence that keeps the opposing factions apart, so they cannot make physical contact.

The minute it is obvious that the purpose of the march/rally is not protest and free speech, but intimidataion and inciting violence, or if violence develops, the permit to have the rally should be immediately revoked and it should be considered an unlawful assembly, and the rally/march should be shut down, as was done in Charlottesville (albeit not successfully.)
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Cannes
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If you don't want to hear it or see it, walk away. Go to a movie.
Same thing on the movies
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Asia
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Ill again cite Karl Poppers words and the paradox of tolerance:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them
So, why do so many on the Left want to import Muslims?
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Asia
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You cant allow a neo nazi to freely shout whatever they want and to march with symbols with such hatefully charged signification. You just cant.

If you do you are a nazi yourself.
Rubbish.

However, you might be a Nazi if you seek to deny others the right to speak their political minds.
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