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I think Baltimore has a lot more to worry about than statues the city has tons of problems. I was amazed at the level of poverty and crime I saw there.
Typical zombie sheep lefties...so easily fooled, same with all of the people in Philly and Chicago that vote for the Democrats year in and year out, no matter what.
Yeah a statue forces them to sell drugs, shoot people, skip school so they don't know how to read..
A statue is the source of all their problems yet a black guy president for 8 years did absolutely nothing for them, yet they still bow down to him like he's a god.
I fully support the decision to remove the statues. But, the idea to put a plaque on the base explaining what used to be there and why it was removed seems odd. Is the plaque going to read "There was a statue of a guy here who fought to preserve the evils of slavery and in 2017 it was removed because we no longer want to honor that idea"? Not to mention an statue base all on it's own is not very pleasing to look at. Why not just remove the base as well and plant a tree?
I say remove the statue, and replace it with someone who actually did something nice for America. I can name people who deserve to have statues to honor their memory.
John F. Kennedy
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Astronaut John H. Glenn
Astronaut M. Scott Carpenter
Astronaut Buzz Aldrin
All of the astronauts that died when the Challenger exploded in 1986.
Harry S. Truman
Earl Warren
Cesar Chavez
All the members of the 442nd Infantry Regiment. They deserve statues in their honor far more than Confederates ever did. These were Americans of Japanese descent who served this country, during a time when America didn't love them back.
The soldiers who built the Alaska-Canada Highway. They braved a semiarctic climate. And the Black soldiers were doing this as part of a segregated united, being treated like crap.
"Robert E. Lee betrayed his uniform and his country in choosing to serve a rebellion whose overriding rationale was the preservation of slavery, as the leaders of that rebellion asserted. Lee’s decision to side with Virginia, because that was his home state, is little more than a shameful excuse. Virginians like Winfield Scott, George Henry Thomas and Samuel Phillips Lee (Robert Lee’s own cousin) remained loyal to the Union."
He waged war against the nation he had taken an oath to protect and defend.
The man was a traitor.
We get to write history the way we see it, not through the eyes of those who made it. We get to put our 21st century spin on this, and not see it as it happened. This is the tactic of the far left, spin history to fit their agenda, demonize everything in history that offends them and try and erase it as if it never happened.
It doesn't matter what I say or what you say, it is what it is, and the South fought for something they believed in, even if we both agree that slavery is wrong. This doesn't change the facts of history no matter how much we desire to do so.
We get to write history the way we see it, not through the eyes of those who made it. We get to put our 21st century spin on this, and not see it as it happened. This is the tactic of the far left, spin history to fit their agenda, demonize everything in history that offends them and try and erase it as if it never happened.
It doesn't matter what I say or what you say, it is what it is, and the South fought for something they believed in, even if we both agree that slavery is wrong. This doesn't change the facts of history no matter how much we desire to do so.
Totally correct.. North Korea must be so proud of the libiots in the U.S.
What nation glorifies traitors who stage an insurrection and do their best to tear the nation apart?
The attempts to compare Robert E. Lee are George Washington are bogus BS.
You are yet another voice of reason on this thread. I can't think of a nation that honors traitors. The Confederates aree a prime example of tearing this nation apart.
And let us both be honest about comparing Robert E. Lee to George Washington. We know said persons are pulling some false equivalencies. They can't refute anything being said. They can't refute that Robert E. Lee was a traitor to THIS country. They can't refute that he sided with an enemy combatant. They can't refute that the Confederate cause was largely based on keeping slavery. The two cannot be compared.
George Washington owned slavers. So did Robert E. Lee. The differences end there. George Washington was fighting a truly repressive government. It really was about taxation without representation for Washington, The American Revolution was not fought with the purpose of keeping slavery. The Confederate cause, however, was about slavery, and we have historical notes to prove it. Robert E. Lee was not some subject of a far off colony. Unlike George Washington, Robert E. Lee was born in a state with full representation as a U.S. citizen. Robert E. Lee picked the Confederate cause. He was beholden to the U.S.A. and it's Constitution when he graduated from West Point. He had a duty to the USA, and he abandoned it to fight for the enemy. Sure, George Washington fought for Britain's enemy. However, the cause was totally different. He didn't have full representation, and the British crown really was being repressive. The U.S. government at the time, far less oppressive The two are not the same.
By removing these statues, obviously unwanted by a large majority of the city's residents, Baltimore's safety budget likely will be conserved for addressing the problems you've described as opposed to policing demonstrations and protecting these statues from vandalism.
We get to write history the way we see it, not through the eyes of those who made it. We get to put our 21st century spin on this, and not see it as it happened. This is the tactic of the far left, spin history to fit their agenda, demonize everything in history that offends them and try and erase it as if it never happened.
It doesn't matter what I say or what you say, it is what it is, and the South fought for something they believed in, even if we both agree that slavery is wrong. This doesn't change the facts of history no matter how much we desire to do so.
Actually, no. History is history. Fact is fact. We have original documents.
As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.[5]… Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN'S FLAG
Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth
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The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
This is just one excerpt. There is more that mentions slavery.
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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war. Our people, still attached to the Union from habit and national traditions, and averse to change, hoped that time, reason, and argument would bring, if not redress, at least exemption from further insults, injuries, and dangers. Recent events have fully dissipated all such hopes and demonstrated the necessity of separation.
Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.
There were even ministers in the South who were preaching that slavery was the Black man's "God-given place". I guess they didn't read the part where it says in the Bible "There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus". Galatians 3:28. Minsters back in those days were lying to their congregations in the South.
"We" don't write history. The Confederates were writing their own history. What I have posted are things that came from people living back then.
Well, it happened whether people liked it or not. No protestors trying to keep them there either.
Wonderful. May the power grow.
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