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Did removing the statues suddenly make Baltimore a better city? I doubt it.
Removing Confederate statues from public spaces did improve Baltimore in the eyes of the Baltimore residents, many the descendants of former slaves, who were appalled by statues honoring the defenders of slavery, certainly the most horrible institution in American history.
As repeatedly documented in my recent posts, all states, including Texas, freely entered into a perpetual and indissoluble, the choice of words of George Washington, Union. As Lincoln repeatedly stated, the Civil War was fought to preserve this Perpetual Union when it would have been rendered apart by the members of the "Slave Power" and their followers, whether willing or not.
The Confederacy was about imposing slavery on human beings, nothing more. Apologists for the Confederacy seem oblivious to this reality, and indifferent to the horrors represented by this institution.
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How ridiculous is it that those who object to having their liberties curtailed are so willing to curtail the liberties of other entire communities?
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The Charlottesville marchers are the warriors of the Klan/Nazi movement, "counting coup" as the Plains Indians would say.
I imagine they were joined by some looking for a fight who thought it would be a good time. Anyone who pulled off those white polo shirts the second it got serious, might still come under the category of "fine people."
Did removing the statues suddenly make Baltimore a better city? I doubt it.
It's all they know how to do. Whether it's looting stores. Burning down businesses. Destroying statues. Honoring thugs. It appears they are well versed at destruction. Not so sure about doing anything productive.
It's all they know how to do. Whether it's looting stores. Burning down businesses. Destroying statues. Honoring thugs. It appears they are well versed at destruction. Not so sure about doing anything productive.
Removing Confederate statues from public spaces did improve Baltimore in the eyes of the Baltimore residents, many the descendants of former slaves, who were appalled by statues honoring the defenders of slavery, certainly the most horrible institution in American history.
As someone who is descended from slaves, I'm very happy to see such statues come down. Truth is, those who were former slaves were likely not happy to see those statues go up in the first place. However, being that was the Jim Crow days, and Black people didn't have a say in the matter, well, it is what it is.
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As repeatedly documented in my recent posts, all states, including Texas, freely entered into a perpetual and indissoluble, the choice of words of George Washington, Union. As Lincoln repeatedly stated, the Civil War was fought to preserve this Perpetual Union when it would have been rendered apart by the members of the "Slave Power" and their followers, whether willing or not.
The Confederacy was about imposing slavery on human beings, nothing more. Apologists for the Confederacy seem oblivious to this reality, and indifferent to the horrors represented by this institution.
Confederate apologists also are historically illiterate, not understanding the "Free Labor" and "Slave Power" argument that motivated much of the opposition to slavery, even among Northerners who were racial bigots.
The "Confederate choice" defended so vehemently by neo-Confederates was to impose a horrid slavery on disenfranchised people on the basis of race. Do neo-Confederates believe that any political entity should have the right to impose slavery on human beings???
Apparently so, which is why defenders of Confederate statues, who see the "beauty" (Trump's choice of words) in these statues, also believe they possess the right to trash the environment imposing a environmental calamity on future generations, some of which already are alive. Trump and anti-environmentalists stifle the work of scientists and even impose gag rules on those who disagree with them. Is this the modern model of democracy that you and other neo-Confederates champion for the American people, including especially future generations?
Please explain if neo-Confederates believe that the free choice of the people, why local communities shouldn't have the right to decide who to honor and who not to honor in their public statuary.
If individual states are allowed to impose laws affecting local statuary on local communities, why shouldn't the federal government have the right to impose statuary laws on individual states? Is this what you and other neo-Confederates believe is proper?
If local communities are rightfully appalled by the championship of slavery by Confederate leaders, and the reality that Confederate leaders precipitated a treasonous war that cost the lives of well over 700,000 Americans, over 2 percent of the population, devastating the families of many current Americans, shouldn't those communities in a free democracy have the right to remove Confederate statues???
How ridiculous is it that those who object to having their liberties curtailed are so willing to curtail the liberties of other entire communities?
Much as the Confederates were crushed, given the current demographics of the U.S., it's even more certain that the neo-Confederates will be crushed, as is evidenced by the ongoing removal of statues honoring the Confederate heroes of the neo-Confederate movement throughout the former Confederacy. If neo-Confederates resort to treasonous violence to impose their will on others, they rightfully will be subject to full wrath of the people, including those current multitudes once again willing to defend our Perpetual Union.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God."
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God."
Neo-Confederates rely on historical representations out of historical context and actual misstatements in order to promote their secessionist propaganda. In this they are little different than the treasonous Confederates of 1860.
The American revolutionaries of 1775 were given no voice in their own governance. They were subject to will of a foreign Parliament controlled by a capricious monarch.
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Believe me, dear Sir: there is not in the British empire a man who more cordially loves a union with Great Britain than I do. But, by the God that made me, I will cease to exist before I yield to a connection on such terms as the British Parliament propose; and in this, I think I speak the sentiments of America.
— Thomas Jefferson, November 29, 1775>>
Neo-Confederates, only to a lesser extent than their 19th predecessors, also ignore the history-changing, enlightened first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, likely the greatest words ever written in American history:
While a majority of Americans in 1860 sought to live up to this declaration for the ages, Confederates of 1860 denied that African Americans were created equal, and certainly sought to deny them Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Neo-Confederates in their statements and goals are not much divorced from this Confederate thought process.
Unlike the American colonists, Confederates and neo-Confederates enjoyed and enjoy full participation in the government. In both cases, they are unwilling to yield to a majority view, and engage or threaten violence in order to enforce their opinions on the majority.
It is astonishing that a neo-Confederate would quote Thomas Paine, a staunch abolitionist, in attempting to justify the right of secession.
The introduction to the Declaration of Independence noted that when revolutionaries sought to establish a new government they "should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
What impelled the Confederate states to secede -- slavery:
<<The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation. >>
Neo-Confederates shockingly in the 21st century maintain that this was a legitimate cause for secession, and that those individuals who led a bloody and costly revolt to maintain the institution of slavery are worthy of honor, justifying public statuary imposed even on communities which no longer will tolerate such an affront to enlightened thought.
In threatening a new wave of violence in order to secede from the United States, they shout the Nazi chant, "Blood and Soil," declaring once again their racial superiority, denying that all men are created equal.
And once again, secessionists will be met by the full force of Americans dedicated to the principles of American Revolution of 1776 and the preservation of the Perpetual Union which is the protector of those principles.
These confederate statues mean nothing to the United States. If you put them in a museum or a cemetery that's ok. Enough of this concern about the statues. They were only put up by a country not willing to give citizens equality. The south LOST remember? How do they have any rights?
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Neo-Confederates rely on historical representations out of historical context and actual misstatements in order to promote their secessionist propaganda. In this they are little different than the treasonous Confederates of 1860.
The American revolutionaries of 1775 were given no voice in their own governance. They were subject to will of a foreign Parliament controlled by a capricious monarch.
You can act like you don't get it all you want to, but I know you do.
Confederates wanted to withdraw from the Union, same as the withdrawal they had fought for and won, from Britain. They could not then, nor now, vote themselves up out of the Union. Thomas Pain's words apply then, the same as now and always, as long as the Federal Government takes in all of our monies and can use that as a tool to threaten the states into submission.
You think, this is about statutes and monuments and that it stops there. It won't stop until the Constitution that was written by slave holders is shredded. And if the law isn't there to protect those monuments, guess what and who else the law no longer protect ... citizen's God given rights.
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