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Actually both the north and the south agree that it was slavery lol.
Read the articles of secession for the CSA states. They stated that their primary reason was slavery. Straight from the horse's mouths.
Not sure why you all even try to debate this.
I think some whites in the south like to pretend their ancestors weren't all about slaves and more about freedom of rights and such....that's why they call it federal overreach.
Federal Overreach, then and now, is only a problem with they are reaching for something you cherish. Then it was your slaves, but today many have no trouble supporting an administration that openly wants to overreach state laws about Marijuana, Abortion, Immigration, Sanctuary Cities, Participation in ACA, and etc.
Overreach is not a valid argument if it's selectively applied.
And some people try to argue that the present effort to preserve and venerate civil war monuments, combatants, and flags is and has always been just about preserving history. This argument is however not true as many of the civil war symbols have been and continue to be used to promote racism.
Of course, the slave states had no problem using federal power to force through their will when they had a majority. It wasn't until they realized that they might not be calling the shots in Washington any more that they suddenly realized they had been guided by their deep, principled, philosophical attachment to "states' rights" all along.
I think some whites in the south like to pretend their ancestors weren't all about slaves and more about freedom of rights and such....that's why they call it federal overreach.
Everyone was involved in slavery, that's how it was born. The Portuguese in Brazil did slave raids to gain slaves, eventually some africans became slave traders for profit and started selling off to anybody who'd take them. America took plenty. There you go, already you've got Brazil with even more slaves than America had, Africans who would sell off their own people for profit and America who took advantage of selling and buying humans. It's all unbelievable to think about.
Yet, those times were horrible. Founders ran from England to avoid getting their heads chopped off by the Queen, they landed, and then started drowning woman for being witches. A women was a second class citizen and children were worked to death.
We should be celebrating the END of those times, because there are countries right now to your left and right that still live like we use to. We have come so far, it would be sad to step back as well as useless.
We are all to blame for slavery, including Africans. We are also all to thank for the end of it, including white people who gave their lives to help free slaves. If we only looked at it in this way, maybe we could avoid all the hate and bitterness.
Hate groups are like cults and will always be because we have personality types that fall for that. Strange religions, and hate groups alike get people who need mental help. Under the umbrella of freedom they get to do what they want until someone is harmed. It's the price we pay for a free society. Sometimes it makes you wonder if we should be more like Japan. But, we have people dreaming of living here for our freedoms, we should be thankful and not abuse it.
Hogwash. Name one federal law that was enacted that impacted the institution of slavery...that was not PRO slavery...in the lead up to the Civil War.
The fact is that federal authority...when wielded by southerners...was used repeatedly to advance the slave agenda and the expense of the rights of northern states. It was the mere fear that the southern hold on federal power was weakening (a power they only held due to compromises in the constitution that gave them greater representation then they otherwise deserved) and that laws may be passed to contain slavery where it currently existed, that compelled them to rebel.
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Originally Posted by MMS02760
And some people try to argue that the present effort to preserve and venerate civil war monuments, combatants, and flags is and has always been just about preserving history. This argument is however not true as many of the civil war symbols have been and continue to be used to promote racism.
The problem is that the vast majority of these monuments and statues were erected as a direct rebuttal to the Civil Rights movement and served as a form of protest. The people who put them up did so solely as a means to remind certain people to stay in line and protest the federal laws forcing the end of Jim Crow.
Those statues weren't erected to remind white kids that their great-grandparents fought for what they believed in...they were put up so that black kids could be reminded of their true place.
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But, we have people dreaming of living here for our freedoms, we should be thankful and not abuse it.
