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View Poll Results: Can you be a good person and a member of the kkk/nazis?
Yes 13 8.23%
No 145 91.77%
Voters: 158. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-18-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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I don't think that's what I was saying.

I agree; there are certainly millions of Adolf Eichmann's among us. But they aren't just [Neo-] Nazis. They're socialists, they're libertarians, they're conservatives...

Take the Nazi party out of the equation; what would Adolf Eichmann be? Unremarkable. He'd likely agree with whatever government existed at the time and do whatever job he was given. Indeed, I think there are millions of Adolf Eichmann's among us... I also don't think we can do anything about it.
I understand your intent. These millions of Eichmann's may be good people but they can get caught up with the cancer and help the cancer grow. They may be replaceable individuals but they are necessary as a whole. You cannot massacre millions of people without these types. My point is that we need to eliminate the tumor while still manageable and before the Eichmann's become a part of the tumor.
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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1. There are no good people who are "X"

2. Everyone I disagree with is an "X"
Yes, there is a similarity with this thread and Josef Goebbels.

-->You see the OP advance his politics in the opening post with a blatant lie.

-->You see posters pushing the narrative that all of the protesters for the statues to remain were Nazis or Klansmen and ignoring that there were peaceful non-white supremacists there....and hence there are no good people in X, everyone protesting the removal was X (lie), therefore saying that some weren't in X and were fine people is in fact supporting X.
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:56 PM
 
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Yes humans are complex but the question is not.
No, the question is not complex, but the answer certainly can be.

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If you are a CURRENT member of the Nazis or KKK then you can not be good.
And I find that conclusion to be short-sighted. Black and white thinking doesn't work in a gray world.

I may disagree with what a person does with 5-10% of his free time, but as long as he's not physically injuring anyone, I wouldn't reflexively call him a bad person. Simply being affiliated with a particular ideology doesn't make someone a bad person, in my opinion. What's next? Thought crimes?
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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No, the question is not complex, but the answer certainly can be.



And I find that conclusion to be short-sighted. Black and white thinking doesn't work in a gray world.

Help some of us understand. In what world can someone be a member of a hate-filled group yet still be a good person? That doesn't compute in my mind.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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Yes, there is a similarity with this thread and Josef Goebbels.

-->You see the OP advance his politics in the opening post with a blatant lie.

-->You see posters pushing the narrative that all of the protesters for the statues to remain were Nazis or Klansmen and ignoring that there were peaceful non-white supremacists there....and hence there are no good people in X, everyone protesting the removal was X (lie), therefore saying that some weren't in X and were fine people is in fact supporting X.
Yes it's been the entire democrat and liberal and media play book. Even condemning something that is not X, ie, leftist counter-protesters, means you are supporting X and therefore X .

And this is the entire mainstream media and establishment's accepted narrative...scary.

This is why nothing should be allowed to be made into X. Another version and name for it is witch-hunting.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Care to explain your reasoning? I want to hear your point of view.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Help some of us understand. In what world can someone be a member of a hate-filled group yet still be a good person? That doesn't compute in my mind.
I can't compute it either.

And I usually don't like a question that seems to box you in but on this one...no. But this question doesn't box you in. It is what it is.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:36 AM
 
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Help some of us understand. In what world can someone be a member of a hate-filled group yet still be a good person? That doesn't compute in my mind.
The Democrat party is a "hate-filled group", so there you go.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The Democrat party is a "hate-filled group", so there you go.
Well that settles it then.

LOL
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Old 08-19-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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The Democrat party is a "hate-filled group", so there you go.
Weakest, response, ever.
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