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A lot of people on this board seem to be defending Antifa. They seem to be saying that Antifa only responds, they don't initiate the violence. Yet, from what we have seen on TV in the past, they do initiate violence. In their own words, they do initiate violence. And it hasn't been only violence on these other groups. We saw in Berkeley at the Milo speech in February how they attacked innocent bystanders just walking down the street. People who were not even protesting.
Personally, I think that the neo Nazis and the KKK are subhuman scum, but so is Antifa. You will never see me defend neo Nazi or KKK violence, so why do people on the left feel they should defend Antifa?
Can't we all agree that violence is never the answer to speech?
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever.
This quote from 1984 seems pretty relevant now.
"Do you realize that the past, starting from yesterday, has been actually abolished? If it survives anywhere, it's in a few solid objects with no words attached to them, like that lump of glass there. Already we know almost literally nothing about the Revolution and the years before the Revolution. Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. I know, of course, that the past is falsified, but it would never be possible for me to prove it, even when I did the falsification myself. After the thing is done, no evidence ever remains. The only evidence is inside my own mind, and I don't know with any certainty that any other human being shares my memories. Just in that one instance, in my whole life, I did possess actual concrete evidence after the event – years after it." (2.5.14, Winston to Julia)
Bottom Line Anitfa is a Terrorist group with infrastructure and organized violence. This is the hall mark of Soros's Groups who have been undermining and buying American Politian's for years.
Most currently Obama and HRC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qGSVeunXXE
6 days ago - Uploaded by The Alex Jones Channel
Alex Jones talks about the mindless, cuss filled hate group called Antifa that is backed by George Soros ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58T2dl997A
4 days ago - Uploaded by The Alex Jones Channel
... coup to take out Trump. Soros-funded NGO's have been a... ... ANTIFA Gets TRIGGERED In ...
A lot of people on this board seem to be defending Antifa. They seem to be saying that Antifa only responds, they don't initiate the violence. Yet, from what we have seen on TV in the past, they do initiate violence. In their own words, they do initiate violence. And it hasn't been only violence on these other groups. We saw in Berkeley at the Milo speech in February how they attacked innocent bystanders just walking down the street. People who were not even protesting.
Personally, I think that the neo Nazis and the KKK are subhuman scum, but so is Antifa. You will never see me defend neo Nazi or KKK violence, so why do people on the left feel they should defend Antifa?
Can't we all agree that violence is never the answer to speech?
This is why I avoid all organized groups altogether. A group might be created with noble, peaceful intentions, but then bad people get involved and ruin that. Combined with mob mentality psychology, it's too common for groups to spiral into violence. And of course, some groups are just bad from the outset.
So I refuse to have anything to do with any group. If I feel strongly about something, I'll speak up for and represent myself as an individual.
And it has nothing to do with me being for or against Trump. I've always felt this way, as it's just common sense IMHO.
The Antifa in the US has its roots in Europe. My first knowledge of this group was several years ago in Sweden, where they already made a name for themselves using violent tactics and intimidation in pursuit of loony policies. At that time, I never heard of Antifa before, and not in the US for sure.
Antifa seems to have its roots in the anarchists types, really starting with the Seattle WTO riots, in which they (anarchists) gained their first major headline attached to an actually global event. The anarchists of then and the Antifa now, are really similar in their actions and even how they dress.
Antifa in my opinion is a violent group and should be treated as such. They advocate violence and their violence is directed at any and all who do not think the same as they do. Antifa is in fact the fascist there Orwellian label opposes.
You mean like killing that young woman last week? In touch with reality much? They will continue to harm as they have been doing through out human history. These people are in government. They drive policy and they actively promote harm towards others. That's their narrative. Always has been.
Run it's course when? Look who is president. It's not running its course. It's destroying our nation.
A WN killed that woman last week. She was killed because they wanted to subjugate her and eliminate minorities. That's why she is dead. You might not care, but plenty of people do. And they are now in my back yard. That needs to be snuffed.
If you attempt to subjugate me or my kids damn straight I'm violent. Scary violent. That's what these protests are all about. Pushing a narrative to harm women/girls and minorities.
With that said, I highly doubt you feel the same about Tamir Rice, et al and that your no justification for violence is about violence against white men.
You voted that they are good.
Are you a white male? If you are you have no idea what it's like to live in a world where you are considered inferior. The constant fight.
And lets be clear. It's the WN killing people. Where is the antifa running down some woman? Where are the angry feminists running down the WN?
Boston's free speech organizer, John Medlar, who is a 23 year old film student at Fitchberg state, originally had Augustus Invictus as a headliner/key speaker for today's event (he is a holocaust denier) and Gavin McInnes, an English lit major from some place far and long ago, who believes women should be subjugated. He is the leader of some western chauvinist organization and purports the intellectual inferiority of women.
That is what Boston's free speech protest is about, or was supposed to be about. When is enough, enough? Christ, I have girlfriends who are not only scientists with PhDs from Harvard and/or MIT, but a few who are also Jewish to boot. These are people who contribute to the human community in ways these men will never know. Yet, they are expected to respond to the charges that they are inferior because of their race and/or gender as pacifists because these privileged, racist, sexist, snowflakes have their right to express their desire to either subjugate them or eliminate them.
Is it any wonder why people respond to this with rage? If anything is natural that's it.
Oh my. There's that "if your a White male you are clueless" thing again. Translation, "if you're a White me and don't burn with shame because of it you're the enemy." This position alone defines this entire quoted post. Nothing more need be said. That if one is White and male that constitutes an attitude of superiority, privilege and basically a free ride in life is not only insulting at the highest degree, it also reeks of self pity and resentment for perceived wrongs done by people who have done no one a y harm. They just happened to be born a certain way.
The same prejudice and arrogance that is supposedly the enemy has been taken to heart and adopted as the personal demon of the ones who are claiming oppression under it. Oh...as a "privileged" White male I guarantee I have suffered plenty for that condition. Everything I ever she'd blood, seat and tears for in my life was taken from me and given to someone who deserved not a bit of it.
The premise behind it all? That since I am a priveleged White male I could easily replace it all. I had a job. Of course 3/4 of my wages were taken as well. So much for ever getting ahead. Then I became permanently disabled. The attachments took all but 365 a month of the income from my benefit, that took me a year to get. And I was a "lucky" one. It can take 5 years or better but my case was more than obvious. But still, my White male privelege should see me through on top of 365 a month. That's plenty to survive on.
It gets even better but it's making my head hurt to think about and I'm getting steamed. Despite all of it, I have managed not to let anger, resentment a d above all hatred for certain people consume me. It would have been easy to do so. To easy. Someone came along and inspired me to be better than that. Someone who was grievously harmed by someone of a certain group of people and that harm greatly contributed to her being taken from me in the end. This persons defense? "She was a snotty little White *****". Has my resolve not to be angry, resentful and hateful been tested? To extremes. And yet I keep it under control.
I don't feel to priveleged by default of my White skin and male gender. I have co.e to know many other people, men and women, just like me. My lady and I were far from alone. And I've also come to know many people who aren't White who have suffered in the same way, and the perpetrators of the crimes against us were not all White males either. Though many of us did suffer further under the actions of White males. Our own skin color notwithstanding.
That the system , set up by White males, sucks I will not argue. I fully agree. With all my heart. But that system does not seem to differentiate as to who it hurts by skin color. Not from where I'm sitting. From what I have experienced it often causes serious hurt to the people who are purported to have special privelege under it. Most often for the sake of appearance and for political gain. So, I will agree, again with all my heart, that RICH White males do indeed have special privelege. But rich non White males are afforded the same. Money is power and this is about power. Not skin color or gender. A d power is what is driving the current pulse of attitudes and ideologies that are pervasive with people. To claim otherwise would be deliberately false. An outright lie.
It's past time for us common folk of all colors, persuasions and genders to wake up. Stop letting these divisions driven by the power elite to dictate our feelings and actions.
Anyone who thinks all this hate, strife and violence is coming from "grassroots" origins is seriously deluding themselves. Personally, I refuse to buy into any of it. I will continue to strive to just be a better man. All around. Honor that inspiration that someone I will continue to love and honor always galvanized me to. I owe her that. But I don't owe anyone else a ruddy thing. Least of all allegiance to or belief in some hateful and divisive "cause" driven by money and the power it has.
America has lost its soul. Americans have forgotten who we all are at the core. It's all about being a certain color, holding a certain view, being a particular gender, who someone chooses to love, and drawing up lines along it all. Letting someone tell us we have to be in each others faces and swinging bats over things. Not me. But, like the quoted poster here, I still have the ability to get hyper violent if someone wants to impose their will by force. But I would prefer things not have to go there.
Not sure about all that was said in the article. But if so, this is the result of condoning wrongdoing for hundreds of years. To compare this group to the KKK, which has a long history of terrorism, is why this groups exists. They have witnessed the mistreatment, mischaracterization and indifference toward various minority groups, including women. It has been present since the inception of the nation. They are unwilling to accept it going forward. These people are different from those in the Civil Rights Movement. They saw the progress it made but also how much of the past sentiments remain...
So here we are...the issues in today's USA are the direct product of its past.
America has lost its soul. Americans have forgotten who we all are at the core. It's all about being a certain color, holding a certain view, being a particular gender, who someone chooses to love, and drawing up lines along it all. Letting someone tell us we have to be in each others faces and swinging bats over things. Not me. But, like the quoted poster here, I still have the ability to get hyper violent if someone wants to impose their will by force. But I would prefer things not have to go there.
Hate to break it to you but the U.S. never had that soul. Ameeicans never truly knew who we all were at the core. The majority were to busy oppressing or ignoring those oppressed by color, gender, religion etc. That's the problem. The country on a whole never truly wanted to do better.
Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement: Activists seek peace through violence
While Antifa members don't fit a single category, they say many are millennials and many live on society's fringes: undocumented immigrants, transgender people, low-wage workers, those who don't conform to the traditional 9-to-5.
And their methods are often violent. Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism -- as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred.
This is not about people simply thinking differently than you. It's about people who strive to harm you.
And if they strive to harm you and do harm you or commit a crime, that is where the police and legal system come in. Denying others their speech and beliefs is just plain wrong regardless of whether you agree with them or not, and regardless of whether their speech and beliefs are outright hate or not. When a law is broken, that's when you act. You don't break the law to prevent a group of bigmouths from mouthing off. Give them the finger and move on. They have absolutely no power over you if they are simply bloviating amongst themselves.
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