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Old 08-18-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: NC
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Great article here:
http://www.themanufacturinginstitute...3B1DA7B14.ashx

Written by the Manufacturing Institute, a pro-business, pro-manufacturing, pro-jobs organization.

Sorry, but telling coal workers that they will keep their jobs is just flat-out irresponsible. IF we want coal-workers, or any manufacturing workers to keep their job, we'll need to train them to be competitive, and to leverage current technology.

The article specifies that traditional 4-year degrees is not what is needed, but it carefully documents the labor shortage (yes, SHORTAGE) and what types of continuing education are needed to address it.

The jobs are there, they are high-paying, and America can compete. But we need our leaders to stop promising that they can bring back 1970's jobs and remain competitive. People need to adapt, and the jobs are there.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Exactly, you can't keep doing the **** you were doing 3 decades ago and expect it to fly now. My own dad was a steel mill worker and while the places are still active a lot of that stuff is automated now. Have these dudes take classes on technology so they can keep said jobs.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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Great article here:
http://www.themanufacturinginstitute...3B1DA7B14.ashx

Written by the Manufacturing Institute, a pro-business, pro-manufacturing, pro-jobs organization.

Sorry, but telling coal workers that they will keep their jobs is just flat-out irresponsible. IF we want coal-workers, or any manufacturing workers to keep their job, we'll need to train them to be competitive, and to leverage current technology.

The article specifies that traditional 4-year degrees is not what is needed, but it carefully documents the labor shortage (yes, SHORTAGE) and what types of continuing education are needed to address it.

The jobs are there, they are high-paying, and America can compete. But we need our leaders to stop promising that they can bring back 1970's jobs and remain competitive. People need to adapt, and the jobs are there.
The only shortage is from lazy sissies who don't want to do anything that requires labor.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:54 AM
 
Location: NC
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The only shortage is from lazy sissies who don't want to do anything that requires labor.
Just a flat-out incorrect statement.

You can be the hardest-working person on the planet, but you will not be able to compete with modern technology and automation. The US has led, and continues to lead productivity, but you can't compete in 2017 with 1983 technology. It doesn't matter how hard you work, it's just not possible.

People on the oil-patch, in the steel mills, even in the coal mines can have work, and they are not afraid of labor, but they'll have to embrace modern technology to remain relevant, or someone else will. I hope that "someone else" is an American worker.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Just a flat-out incorrect statement.

You can be the hardest-working person on the planet, but you will not be able to compete with modern technology and automation. The US has led, and continues to lead productivity, but you can't compete in 2017 with 1983 technology. It doesn't matter how hard you work, it's just not possible.

People on the oil-patch, in the steel mills, even in the coal mines can have work, and they are not afraid of labor, but they'll have to embrace modern technology to remain relevant, or someone else will. I hope that "someone else" is an American worker.


In some cases, it isn't necessarily competing with technology but learning to adapt with technology.


Many of my friends are machinists, and back when we were just out of high school they were running Bridgeports and manual lathes etc. Now , they are still machinists but had to learn how to program and debug 5 axis CNC machines, waterjet cutters, etc.


Myself, when I got into design it was all on a drafting board. Then in the 90's we started working on 2d CAD programs , then those morphed into full 3 dimensional CAD programs and if you wanted to stay at the top of your game you had to keep up on all three of the major ones , well now two.


Degrees were not needed. Now these same jobs require one. I'm 48 and have worked as a draftsmen, designer and a design engineer all with no degree. Just now in the past couple of years have a felt my career being hindered by it. It's a scary think for me because what do I do ? I need another 15 years out of my career, and working towards a mechanical engineering degree and working full time and just never being involved in academics is going to be a daunting task.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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The only shortage is from lazy sissies who don't want to do anything that requires labor.
Hello, time traveler.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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More globalist propaganda. And what are these coal miners to be "retrained" to be: semiconductor physicists, protein chemists, personal injury lawyers?


The new democrat "better deal" mantra (“A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”) is equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig. It is just the repackaging of throwing more money at the educational establishment for "retraining."
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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More globalist propaganda. And what are these coal miners to be "retrained" to be: semiconductor physicists, protein chemists, personal injury lawyers?


The new democrat "better deal" mantra (“A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”) is equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig. It is just the repackaging of throwing more money at the educational establishment for "retraining."
What then is your positive spin on how to address the labor shortage for skilled workers?
Learning by osmosis? Or just waiting till Luddites and social conservatives drive us backwards enough that
blacksmiths and coal miners are relevant again.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Ignorance is bliss.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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In some cases, it isn't necessarily competing with technology but learning to adapt with technology.


Many of my friends are machinists, and back when we were just out of high school they were running Bridgeports and manual lathes etc. Now , they are still machinists but had to learn how to program and debug 5 axis CNC machines, waterjet cutters, etc.
That's my brother-in-law to a tee. Smart guy, but without much book learning.

He's employed by a small Danish company, and they have completely dropped competing with China on large-scale manufacturing. (Think US wages are high? Try Denmark.) No way they can even try. However, they excel at small-batch or even single items made with fine tolerances, advanced materials and at short notice. (Priced accordingly, of course.) Prototypes, complex replacement parts for heavy machinery, some aerospace stuff (not much, the materials tracking is cumbersome), testing equipment etc.

Business is good, but - it's a niche. When the Vestas wind turbine company is happy with the prototype gearbox, they send it off to be mass produced in Poland or even China.
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