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Thinly disguised ploy to justify hate speech. Why claim to be marching for freedom of speech when we already have it? The march is actually about glorifying hate and possibly even intimidating the community.
Remember, what freedom of speech is all about is that the government can not arrest you for spewing hateful nonsense. This also means that neighbors, friends and community are also free to speak out against hateful rhetoric.
All lives do matter. Police matter, firemen matter, consumers matter, taxpayers matter and all races matter. We already know this, don't we? This concept is at the root of our republic.
The term 'Black Lives Matter' is a recognition African Americans in many communities do not feel safe in the presence of police, who's purpose is public safety for all citizens. At best it would be carelessness on the part of law enforcement, a callous disregard for the dignity all people deserve. At worst it is a selective decision to treat a class of people differently from the rest, it would be murder.
Whatever the cause, we as a society are honor bound to correct the problem, not dismiss it.
This terminology 'all lives matter' is actually only adopted to blunt the message that black people have been unnecessarily killed too often by police who seem shoot first and ask questions later.
To be perfectly honest I think black Americans have a point, and saying something like 'all lives matter' in response is a dog whistle put-down repeated by people who either resent the black community standing up for themselves, or want to somehow shut them up.
defending the indefensible as usual.
BLM is a hate group, nothing more nothing less.
Show proof the right supports his actions and his group. You have a twisted mentality that when one supports free speech they support whomever is speaking. That's on you.
One always defends the rights of the individual. You either believe in it or you don't.
I literally said, "one individual doesn't represent the entire right." Try reading.
If the "free speech" group wants their message to be heard, then they need to distance themselves from the hate speech spewed by the KKK and Neo Nazis. Those groups have latched on to "free speech" demonstrations to get their message across and the result is that the "free speech" advocates are being drowned out. In Boston they learned and disassociated with the other groups, but the damage was done and their message was literally drowned out.
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antifa and blm are not arguing for equality. What makes you think that?
BLM absolutely is. They want to be treated equally by law enforcement. You admit yourself they're treated worse. Antifa is a different animal- it's literally an "anti fascist" group. But their methods are poor (to say the least), and they're not always sticking to the anti fascist theme.
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No I'm not.
You are. You literally couldn't read my first two sentences without getting it wrong.
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The blm movement, especially the ones running it, is pure sleaze. They hijacked a good ideal. It's about police brutality. That's the issue.
Who, specifically, is "purse sleaze." They didn't "hijack" anything. Black people have historically been mistreated by law enforcement (see: Rodney King, or any number of examples during the civil rights movement) and this era of video everywhere has a ton of dramatic video proof of how this mistreatment is a huge issue today which has incited anger. Justifiably so.
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No they're not, that's just your twisted agenda.
What's my agenda? There are elements of the right that are playing with words to legitimize their otherwise outlandish viewpoints. "Free Speech" rallies that include the KKK and Nazis are no longer about free speech. Claiming "all lives matter" in opposition to "sleazy BLM" is less about all lives mattering and more about opposing what blm stands for (equal treatment for blacks). It's basic.
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That's your misguided perception . It's about rights. It is about speech. It's not about the content. How about you take the thought process to the next level, leave your twisted agenda behind and defend free speech no matter how much you hate the topic. Peacefully protest the topic
It's not about rights,. At least not when you add those other elements (KKK, Neo Nazis, etc.) into the fray. What's sad for the actual free speech folks, is that in Boston, they went through great pains to distance themselves from the KKK and other supremacist groups. At the end of it all, they ended up with 50 people gathered and were drowned out by 40,000 counter protesters. Nobody heard their message. Why? Because they allowed those hate groups to hitch their wagons to the "free speech" movement.
The thing that you can't seem to wrap your head around is that literally nobody is protesting against free speech. Not one person. They're rallying against the message (KKK, neo nazis, etc.) that certain groups are sending which by definition is free speech in and of itself. Nobody needs convincing that free speech is a good thing. It's like holding a pro-oxygen rally.
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No deflection on my part because I'm on point. The only thing ludicrous is thinking your post holds water.
Your post is the definition of deflection. "BLM is hijacking another movement." "It's about free speech." You're kidding yourself.
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You miss the point.
Then enlighten me. What point did I miss? Were there not hundreds of neo-nazi and kkk protesters there? Did one of them not kill a women and wound over a dozen others?
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It's only free speech when you agree with the topic, understand.
What you seemingly lack any capacity to understand is that the issue isn't and never was about "free speech." EVERYONE supports free speech. Nobody here is denying it. Sure, if something is said that we disagree with, we'll be outspoken about it. Especially if it's as hateful and bigoted as what was being said in Charlottesville, but that's also an exercise in free speech. The problem with everything about Charlottesville is the Neo Nazis, KKK and their hate speech. That's what people rallied against which is also within their rights. By implying that counter protesters speaking out and rallying against the protesters in Charlottesville are some how opposed to free speech is flat out ridiculous. By counter-protesting the rally in Charlottesville they're literally exercising their right to free speech.
The counter protest was about the message of hate, not free speech. For anyone else, that would be simple to understand. Apparently it's challenging for you.
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You don't get to decide that. If you want to run off and go to a safe place go ahead. Free speech is free speech period. It should always be protected. We fought a Revolutionary War over that
No, I don't. But reality does get to decide it and that's what you're seeing these past few weeks. Americans, all of whom love free speech, hate the messages being spewed by some of these groups who have been gathering under the guise of free speech. That's why counter-protesters came out in force in Charlotte. That's why 40,000 counter-protester came out against 50 people in Boston. Because free speech loving Americans don't stand for the hate that free speech loving nazis and KKK members spew. That's the beauty of free speech. It works both ways. And there are consequences for it which many of the crying nazis learned in Charlottesville. nobody questions or opposes free speech. But they certainly oppose some of the content of that and free speech gives them the right to vocalize that opposition. That's why the far right nutties have been shut down two weekends in a row.
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The blm people in charge hijacked a movement. It's about police brutality. That's the problem. It's not about skin color. Do blacks get treated worse by police, I agree. Does anyone here think a movement about this issue would gather more support if it wasn't about race? I do, it would get a lot more steam and would make it easier to fight tyranny.
So black people are treated worse by police, and are victims of police brutality and that's what BLM is advocating against, but they're somehow hijacking a movenemt? Do you even read what you write lol? Do you have any idea how ridiculously stupid this sounds. If police are treating black people worse (and you agree), and BLM feels it's due to the color of their skin, why should they "not make it about race?" They feel it's about race. In many case, I agree. It's absolutely about race and they have every right to be angry about that. You've spent two lengthy posts talking about how "free speech is free speech whether you agree with it or not" and somehow BLM being upset about the mistreatment of black people by the police is a problem? Give me a break.
defending the indefensible as usual.
BLM is a hate group, nothing more nothing less.
Actually, it's not that simple.
BLM isn't a unified group, which is good and bad. Many people in BLM do just hate white people or cops or whatever. Many also are supporters of the movement for exactly the reason state above.
Yet they claim Collin Kapernick kneeling down during the national anthem as free speech
It is free speech. And he's booed by 70,000+ who don't like it almost every week. He's received death threats as a result and he's heckled constantly in the media and in person. And yet he continues to do it. Say what you want about him and his message, but he understands how free speech works and accepts the consequences of his free speech regardless of the consequences. Many of the KKK and Neo Nazis are now crying because people came out against their message in force. They don't actually get what free speech is. Just because the government won't arrest you for speaking your mind doesn't mean you have a free pass to say whatever without any sort of consequences.
BLM isn't a unified group, which is good and bad. Many people in BLM do just hate white people or cops or whatever. Many also are supporters of the movement for exactly the reason state above.
oh its the "not all" defense this time.
still defending the indefensible.
I literally said, "one individual doesn't represent the entire right." Try reading. .
No you didn't. You said and this is an exact quote "Which is what the right practices?" Take your own advice ON YOUR OWN POSTS Try reading. .
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If the "free speech" group wants their message to be heard, then they need to distance themselves from the hate speech spewed by the KKK and Neo Nazis. Those groups have latched on to "free speech" demonstrations to get their message across and the result is that the "free speech" advocates are being drowned out. In Boston they learned and disassociated with the other groups, but the damage was done and their message was literally drowned out.
Poser garbage. Anyone who wants free speech doesn't have to distance themselves from anyone. It's about free speech and nothing else.
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BLM absolutely is. They want to be treated equally by law enforcement. You admit yourself they're treated worse. Antifa is a different animal- it's literally an "anti fascist" group. But their methods are poor (to say the least), and they're not always sticking to the anti fascist theme.
Like I said blm isn't looking for equality anymore. It's a side show. Their methods show that.
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You are. You literally couldn't read my first two sentences without getting it wrong.
That's just something you made up because you don't understand free speech. You've attached a silly rule that one should distance themselves in order to have free speech.
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Who, specifically, is "purse sleaze."
Pure sleaze. I said the blm movement was. Try reading. .
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They didn't "hijack" anything. Black people have historically been mistreated by law enforcement (see: Rodney King, or any number of examples during the civil rights movement) and this era of video everywhere has a ton of dramatic video proof of how this mistreatment is a huge issue today which has incited anger. Justifiably so.
Thanks for pointing that out captain obvious. It's good that we have people like you who show us that blacks have been mistreated by law enforcement. No one would ever figure that out.
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What's my agenda? There are elements of the right that are playing with words to legitimize their otherwise outlandish viewpoints. "Free Speech" rallies that include the KKK and Nazis are no longer about free speech. Claiming "all lives matter" in opposition to "sleazy BLM" is less about all lives mattering and more about opposing what blm stands for (equal treatment for blacks). It's basic.
That's because you have a twisted agenda. You don't get to decide what someone is or isn't at a rally for, that doesn't mean one thing. They get free speech period.
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It's not about rights,. At least not when you add those other elements (KKK, Neo Nazis, etc.) into the fray. What's sad for the actual free speech folks, is that in Boston, they went through great pains to distance themselves from the KKK and other supremacist groups. At the end of it all, they ended up with 50 people gathered and were drowned out by 40,000 counter protesters. Nobody heard their message. Why? Because they allowed those hate groups to hitch their wagons to the "free speech" movement.
Of course it's about rights. Because you have a twisted blind agenda and you don't see it is on you. Quit trying to make it about something else. kkk bad gee thanks . None of that matters when it comes to free speech. It's not about if you don't like that group. That's what you're doing. Making it about bad people instead of free speech
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The thing that you can't seem to wrap your head around is that literally nobody is protesting against free speech. Not one person.
The thing you can't wrap your head around because of your inability to take the thought process to the next level and having a twisted agenda is when you physically try and stop a group from being heard that is violating free speech. gee that was real hard to figure out huh
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They're rallying against the message (KKK, neo nazis, etc.) that certain groups are sending which by definition is free speech in and of itself. Nobody needs convincing that free speech is a good thing. It's like holding a pro-oxygen rally.
Thanks captain obvious. Unfortunately you skipped over the part about denying the group free speech.
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Your post is the definition of deflection. "BLM is hijacking another movement." "It's about free speech." You're kidding yourself.
No it's not. Your inability to process information and seek the truth is on you, not me.
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Then enlighten me. What point did I miss? Were there not hundreds of neo-nazi and kkk protesters there? Did one of them not kill a women and wound over a dozen others?
You missed the point about how free speech should not be infringed. Your drama queen post about someone dying has nothing to do with it so you can stop deflecting. How absurd that you falsely accuse me of deflecting and in the very next paragraph you deflect. lol You can't make this stuff up.
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What you seemingly lack any capacity to understand is that the issue isn't and never was about "free speech." EVERYONE supports free speech. Nobody here is denying it. Sure, if something is said that we disagree with, we'll be outspoken about it. Especially if it's as hateful and bigoted as what was being said in Charlottesville, but that's also an exercise in free speech. The problem with everything about Charlottesville is the Neo Nazis, KKK and their hate speech. That's what people rallied against which is also within their rights. By implying that counter protesters speaking out and rallying against the protesters in Charlottesville are some how opposed to free speech is flat out ridiculous. By counter-protesting the rally in Charlottesville they're literally exercising their right to free speech.
The counter protest was about the message of hate, not free speech. For anyone else, that would be simple to understand. Apparently it's challenging for you.
Thanks captain obvious. What you refuse too see because you have a twisted agenda which doesn't include the truth is when one is talking about a subject, that's called free speech. even when that topic isn't free speech.
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No, I don't. But reality does get to decide it and that's what you're seeing these past few weeks. Americans, all of whom love free speech, hate the messages being spewed by some of these groups who have been gathering under the guise of free speech. That's why counter-protesters came out in force in Charlotte. That's why 40,000 counter-protester came out against 50 people in Boston. Because free speech loving Americans don't stand for the hate that free speech loving nazis and KKK members spew. That's the beauty of free speech. It works both ways. And there are consequences for it which many of the crying nazis learned in Charlottesville. nobody questions or opposes free speech. But they certainly oppose some of the content of that and free speech gives them the right to vocalize that opposition. That's why the far right nutties have been shut down two weekends in a row. .
No reality doesn't get to decide. You made that up because you have a twisted agenda. Our birth rights decide that, nothing else.
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So black people are treated worse by police, and are victims of police brutality and that's what BLM is advocating against, but they're somehow hijacking a movement?.
Because they're not on point. They've swayed from police brutality which was the point all along.
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Do you even read what you write lol?.
Can you even comprehend what you wrote? lol rhetorical you cannot
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Do you have any idea how ridiculously stupid this sounds.
Do you have any idea how absurd your ability is to take the thought process to the nest level.
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If police are treating black people worse (and you agree), and BLM feels it's due to the color of their skin, why should they "not make it about race?". They feel it's about race. In many case, I agree. It's absolutely about race and they have every right to be angry about that.
Because it's about police brutality not the color of ones skin. The police hit blacks 5 times and whites 4 times so it's about race?
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You've spent two lengthy posts talking about how "free speech is free speech whether you agree with it or not" and somehow BLM being upset about the mistreatment of black people by the police is a problem? Give me a break.
lmao It's not my posts that are long winded that babble on. lol
What part of free speech don't you get. Because the topic being discussed wasn't about free speech means it's somehow different? hahahahaha
keep posting, it's good for a laugh.
It is free speech. And he's booed by 70,000+ who don't like it almost every week. He's received death threats as a result and he's heckled constantly in the media and in person. And yet he continues to do it. Say what you want about him and his message, but he understands how free speech works and accepts the consequences of his free speech regardless of the consequences. Many of the KKK and Neo Nazis are now crying because people came out against their message in force. They don't actually get what free speech is. Just because the government won't arrest you for speaking your mind doesn't mean you have a free pass to say whatever without any sort of consequences.
And neither do you. Because one has to distance themselves in order to have free speech, right?.
People are after Kap because they don't like the way he's doing it and/or they disagree with him on the subject. They aren't trying to stop free speech like all the protesters. That's the difference and that's what the entire problem is about and that's what you don't get. Quit making it about something else.
BLM isn't a unified group, which is good and bad. Many people in BLM do just hate white people or cops or whatever. Many also are supporters of the movement for exactly the reason state above.
Exactly. Not enough see this. They get caught up in what the movement should be about not what it is in reality.
If you proclaimed that all lives matter and possess value, then you're probably not going to be marching with KKK and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville or wherever else - nor making excuses for them.
And if you're sufficiently unbiased from white supremacists, you will assign culpability of violence to both sides rather than making the implicit assumption that the white supremacists were all peaceful and only counter-protesters were violent meanies.
Which is what the right practices? Last I checked it was a right-wing protester who mowed down counter-protesters and not the other way around.
He was fleeing the attack (with a flagpole slam against his car) by the unhinged left. Just like the Lexus and minivan which were shown being attacked in another video from that day. The Lexus and minivan both ran through a stop sign while fleeing the violent left's attacks and nearly caused a 4-car collision at an intersection also lined with pedestrians. It's a miracle no one was injured in that incident.
Perhaps the left should stop attacking occupied vehicles. The drivers drive erratically when fleeing violence.
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