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Old 08-22-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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California is booming -- and that's either in spite of, or because of, strict environmental regulations. The latest cap-and-trade auction brought in record revenue. Solar and wind power are booming, fueling lots of jobs.

The environment vs. economy argument no longer makes sense. California proves that you can protect the environment and have a strong economy at the same time.

Trump is dead wrong on this.

Environmental regulation does not kill economic growth | Grist
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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OMG. You mentioned California. The Trumpers are going to have seizures tonight.
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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California is booming -- and that's either in spite of, or because of, strict environmental regulations. The latest cap-and-trade auction brought in record revenue. Solar and wind power are booming, fueling lots of jobs.

The environment vs. economy argument no longer makes sense. California proves that you can protect the environment and have a strong economy at the same time.

Trump is dead wrong on this.

Environmental regulation does not kill economic growth | Grist

I'm willing to be open about it...now give a non-biased link to support, what the 'grist.org' has to say
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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If I go around breaking windows for people to replace, that doesn't overall hurt the economy but it sure doesn't increase prosperity.
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Five years ago the state of California was inches from declaring bankruptcy.
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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California is booming -- and that's either in spite of, or because of, strict environmental regulations. The latest cap-and-trade auction brought in record revenue. Solar and wind power are booming, fueling lots of jobs.

The environment vs. economy argument no longer makes sense. California proves that you can protect the environment and have a strong economy at the same time.

Trump is dead wrong on this.

Environmental regulation does not kill economic growth | Grist

Smart corporations learned long ago, that clean operations are more efficient and profitable. Lazy and decadent industries, that always use the cheapest methods, usually let their buildings and equipment get run-down and they go out of business. Environmental regulations have benefited the corporations they affect, more than they do any other part of our society. Those that claim the regulations are making them go broke, just don't want to bother trying to be at their best.
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Old 08-22-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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Solar and wind are far and away the least efficient forms of energy, how does more expensive energy help the economy?
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Old 08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Solar and wind are far and away the least efficient forms of energy, how does more expensive energy help the exonomy?
Liberals think more spending and debt means more prosperity. Maxing out my spending and credit would help the economy, but not my long term prosperity.
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Old 08-22-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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Solar and wind are far and away the least efficient forms of energy, how does more expensive energy help the economy?
That may have been true in the early days of wind and solar development, but not anymore.

The top two states in terms of economic growth (California and Oregon) also have the most renewable energy. That should tell you something. The slowest economic growth are mostly red states that have the highest rates of coal usage and dirty fossil fuels. Coincidence? I don't think so. I don't know about you but I kind of like breathing clean air and drinking unpolluted water.
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Old 08-22-2017, 09:29 PM
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That may have been true in the early days of wind and solar development, but not anymore.

The top two states in terms of economic growth (California and Oregon) also have the most renewable energy. That should tell you something. The slowest economic growth are mostly red states that have the highest rates of coal usage and dirty fossil fuels. Coincidence? I don't think so. I don't know about you but I kind of like breathing clean air and drinking unpolluted water.
Even bright red Texas is getting in on the act. Lots of wind farms in the western part of the state. I can't vouch for this, but I heard there's gonna be an expansion to the TX Gulf Coast (presumably the so-called "Coastal Bend" region from Houston to Corpus Christi). Yeah, there's a lot of crazy right-wing stuff in this state, but still give this state the proper amount of due in renewable energy. BTW, TX is the least tax-taker of the red states - usually close to break-even in federal tax giver/taker measures, and perhaps even a net donor in some years.
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