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Old 08-23-2017, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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A friend was a substitute teacher after she retired from a corporate career. She found there was no discipline in the elementary schools because the parents were not interested in what their kids did. One day when an eight year old girl was misbehaving she told my friend, "I don't have to do what you say! I'm going to tell my mommy that you touched me in a private place." She quit the same day. Scary times.

A coworker's dad who had made a lot of money in his private business and wanted to give back to the community taught high school. After a year he was told his services would not be needed. "Your pass rate is too low. " He didn't pass enough kids because they didn't do the work.

That is the state of most public schools today, especially in poor neighborhoods.
On your second point: most kids should be able to pass a class. If they aren't, there's a good chance that the teacher isn't providing them with the tools to succeed, especially since schools can keep track of statistics and all of that.

 
Old 08-23-2017, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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On your second point: most kids should be able to pass a class. If they aren't, there's a good chance that the teacher isn't providing them with the tools to succeed, especially since schools can keep track of statistics and all of that.
This is the new way of thinking. If a kid can't pass a test or class blame the teacher. It doesn't matter if he/she doesn't do their homework or doesn't study. It is never the student at fault.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 05:46 AM
 
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Hood rat behaving badly. Nothing new.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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This is the new way of thinking. If a kid can't pass a test or class blame the teacher. It doesn't matter if he/she doesn't do their homework or doesn't study. It is never the student at fault.
That's not what I'm saying at all, because kids don't do their work for a number of reasons. But from learning about this stuff and actually working with kids, if an unusually high number of students aren't doing their work, it's almost certainly because they aren't understanding it and don't try due to a fear of failure. Teachers absolutely can make a difference here.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 06:38 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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"And caught in the act? on video? Presumed innocent? Really?
Watched, and was horrified. That kind of violence is never okay, and I hope the kid receives an appropriate sentence. However, yes, he is presumed innocent until he has had his day in court. If you dislike that, please take it up with the men who wrote the Constitution. Allowing anyone a fair trial means we have to allow everyone a fair trial.
A presumption should not mean having to ignore the senses of sight, hearing and smell. Perhaps the trials should be provided very rapidly with attenuated procedures. The way things are now it would be a good year, probably more, for justice to be administered if the People insisted on a trial. Otherwise on the first or second "court date" there will likely be a plea to disorderly conduct, public urination or harassment and maybe a $35 fine.

The Constitution was written before the age of instantaneous recording of these events. One had to rely upon witnesses of questionable motive. A video pretty much speaks for itself, except for the need for a live person to sponsor the video into evidence. So some of the difficulty in giving full due process is the reluctance of the person taking the video to testify in fear of getting the cr__ beaten out of them, the possibility of loss through replacement of the phone, and the possibility that the person is in another school or job.

In other words we still need rights but those must be administered in a modern, not 1787 context.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 06:39 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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This is the new way of thinking. If a kid can't pass a test or class blame the teacher. It doesn't matter if he/she doesn't do their homework or doesn't study. It is never the student at fault.
That's not what I'm saying at all, because kids don't do their work for a number of reasons. But from learning about this stuff and actually working with kids, if an unusually high number of students aren't doing their work, it's almost certainly because they aren't understanding it and don't try due to a fear of failure. Teachers absolutely can make a difference here.
How can even the most guiding, gentle, firm and strong teacher make a difference with a human pit bull of that variety?
 
Old 08-23-2017, 06:40 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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This is the new way of thinking. If a kid can't pass a test or class blame the teacher. It doesn't matter if he/she doesn't do their homework or doesn't study. It is never the student at fault.
Hence, the snowflake generation.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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The reporter kept calling it a "fight", not an attack or assault.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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On your second point: most kids should be able to pass a class. If they aren't, there's a good chance that the teacher isn't providing them with the tools to succeed, especially since schools can keep track of statistics and all of that.
Not really telling the whole story.

I have subbed in many types of schools - both good and bad. The problem is not the teachers but rather the system. Case in point getting whole class full of kids with discipline problems who are not on grade level. The school systems' response - put them together and try to give them elementary lessons with the teachers who have no choice but to accept the assignment. They ignore instructions, walk out of class , won't sit down and if you send them to the office you are not an effective teacher.

They should be broken up into small groups and forced to double their efforts to learn the basics - reading, writing and arithmetic. These kids are eventually tripped up by the SOLs but by that time years of potential have been wasted.
 
Old 08-23-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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You expel the student and make the parents pay the costs of an alternative education. If they can't pay, then you garnish their wages or welfare and take their yearly tax refund. I guarantee you the mental defectives parents will beat their kids into line if they realize that they'll end up paying for their misconduct.
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