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Old 08-28-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not when on ramps are controlled. Ask me how I know. Been through several staged evacuations.
You are comparing your experience on a sparsely populated barrier island to millions of people in the greater Houston area.

Took people in cars 48 hours of bumper to bumper traffic to reach Dallas, in anticipation of Rita. Cars ran out of gas. Gas stations ran out of gas. People ran out of water and food. People experienced heat stroke. No room at hotels. As many died en route while evacuating as did in the storm. There was no way to get to the people who required it, stuck in traffic for hundreds of miles.

Most who survived had intact homes, businesses and jobs to return to. This may not be the case, this time.

 
Old 08-28-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Yes, it's clearly the fault of the "fakenews", who spend endless time warning this was a "worst ever" hurricane.

And when dozens die due to Trump's incompetence (he has yet to appoint a federal disaster director and most of FEMA positions are unfilled), it is your Trump cult duty to blame the deaths on the following: 1. Fakenews, 2. Muslims, 3. Foreigners, 4. Libturds, 5. Hillary, 6. Obama.
Nice try. The "Fake News" CNN was on the air talking about how Trump was "Hijacking" the News on the Hurricane, instead of talking about what people should do, while they, themselves where not reporting on the Storm but hijacking the Station to bash Trump. Your precious.


If the Democrat sore losers would decide to help Trump, instead of destroy him, there would be a lot more positions filled in his cabinet. Of course you forgot that part, right? You have to love these Liberal Snowflakes.
This.

George H.W. Bush and Barbara are in Maine. How nice for them. Good planning goes a long way.

I was considering another possibility wrt evacuation situations, one of certain folks who decide to stay and brave it out even if that choice leads to their death. What does the local gov't, volunteer brigade, regional gov't, federal gov't etc. do about a situation like that? Nothing, imo. A person must first have to will to act, ask, etc.

Prayers to those in the path of Harvey.

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Old 08-28-2017, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I know you all aren't blaming Trump for this.

This is who you blame:

https://twitter.com/SylvesterTurner/...54698316722176

You'll notice that he's "not taking questions" today...like, WHY the hell did you tell people not to evacuate after the governer did?
The experience associated with evacuations in anticipation of Rita was a meaningful lesson.

There is no reasonable way for millions to evacuate safely.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The experience associated with evacuations in anticipation of Rita was a meaningful lesson.

There is no reasonable way for millions to evacuate safely.
YES, there IS.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Correct. I hope Turner gets fired. He is indirectly responsible for 5 deaths, IMO. We had many days of knowledge that this would be the worst tropical storm/hurricane in history (it looks like it is), and he told us to stay because he was concerned about traffic
You had many days of knowledge that this would be the worst hurricane in history. Ultimately you are responsible for you. At least you had several days warning. If you choose to do nothing despite several days warnings that the worst hurricane in history is about to hit you then what more can I say. You can hope your governmental officials get held accountable but that is not going to help you when you are fighting for your life and survival. There are two courses of actions you can take to safeguard your life. Get in your car and risk getting stranded on the highway if everyone decides to do the same thing or hopefully you were wise enough to have a 2 week supply of water and food stocked in your home.

Basically you are on your own during a disaster or emergency. The unexpected can happen so quick that unless you have a plan before hand you literally at the mercy of nature. Those who are vigilant and prepared are the ones who come out relatively unscathed. Pay attention to the weather reports and plan accordingly to leave before the mass panic or stock up with water and food to ride it out. Remember there were between 90 to 118 evacuation related deaths during Hurricane Rita in 2005 due to the combination of severe gridlock and excessive heat.

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Old 08-28-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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Its safe to say they will NOT have malaria in Houston. Malaria requires certain types of mosquito which carry the parasite, and the parasites are simply not present in Houston, nor can they travel there.
Zika and West Nile, however ... it's a mess. 12 years after Katrina, people here still suffer long term health effects. Lots of respiratory illnesses. And soil that won't grow a garden.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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It's really sad people arguing here, when what is really tragic is what's happening to the victims. How would you like to have everything you own under 6 feet of water? No TV, no internet, no food, no electric, no warm blanket, no clothes, no belongings,.... just climbing on your roof and waving a shirt, because of you have is just what is on your back, because that's all you have left now.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Its safe to say they will NOT have malaria in Houston. Malaria requires certain types of mosquito which carry the parasite, and the parasites are simply not present in Houston, nor can they travel there.
Read up on it. Houston has a long history of malaria.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22777864

Normally, no, not much risk, but normal is gone. Houston is going to be third world for a while.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is no reasonable way to evacuate millions of people.Where would they go? How would they get to where-ever? For how long? Then what?

What happens on relatively sparsely populated barrier islands is not the same thing as Houston Metro.
No, I'm talking about the entire metro Norfolk, VA, etc., area, as well. They have staged evacuations with gates and municipal vehicles blocking on ramps as needed.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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YES, there IS.
Because you say there is? Have you paid any attention at all to MAM's posts regarding how people sat for days on highways, some dying, when there was a massive evacuation during Rita? Or do you just scroll past any posts that don't support your personal, preconceived beliefs?
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