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The textual constitutionalist's are alright with racial profiling
When the police put out an APB after a crime has been committed and the suspect's race is identified, aren't they also profiling by race? For example, if the suspect is white, they aren't going to bother a black person over it.
Over 170 died on Arpaio's watch. Half of them for unknown reasons.
Even Ryan is coming out against this travesty of a pardon.
Sorry let me be real specific - Arpaio was not pardoned for over 170 who died on his watch for unknown reasons and your implication that his pardon had anything to do with those cases would be unfair use of the justice system if said system was considering the above in this current case of contempt for racial profiling - now do you understand the facts?
Sorry let me be real specific - Arpaio was not pardoned for over 170 who died on his watch for unknown reasons and your implication that his pardon had anything to do with those cases would be unfair use of the justice system if said system was considering the above in this current case of contempt for racial profiling - now do you understand the facts?
It's so puzzling how all these constitutional zealots conservatives claim to have no issue with any of this.
POS Arpaio was elected to uphold the law yes, it is true that the job of jurisprudence as in interpreting the law is the job of the judiciary. So Arpaio enforces the law as interpreted by the courts, in this case the court told Arpaio specifically what the law said and the way he was enforcing them was wrong, the court then told him to stop because the law did not give him those powers, he then proceeded to ignore the courts thereby breaking the law.
So, a sheriff illegally rounds up aliens and puts them in a 'tent city' in the Arizona heat! (illegal aliens or not, the way HE did it was still illegal!)
A federal court says he rounded them up illegally, and tells sheriff to take a chill pill! A W appointed federal court, at that!
Sheriff defies the court order, and that federal judge (a W man!) holds him in contempt! But he still gets pardoned!
The textual constitutionalist's are alright with racial profiling, thank god Arpaio wasn't confiscating guns. Maybe we can have a constitutional checklist with which parts you like.
I like all the parts of the Constitution.
I even like that is based on "All men are created equal."
It's so puzzling how all these constitutional zealots conservatives claim to have no issue with any of this.
POS Arpaio was elected to uphold the law yes, it is true that the job of jurisprudence as in interpreting the law is the job of the judiciary. So Arpaio enforces the law as interpreted by the courts, in this case the court told Arpaio specifically what the law said and the way he was enforcing them was wrong, the court then told him to stop because the law did not give him those powers, he then proceeded to ignore the courts thereby breaking the law.
nah, he is too old and he would have spent most of his time in court because liberal groups like LA RAZA and other open borders groups would be filing lawsuits after lawsuits just to tie him in the courts.
Sorry let me be real specific - Arpaio was not pardoned for over 170 who died on his watch for unknown reasons and your implication that his pardon had anything to do with those cases would be unfair use of the justice system if said system was considering the above in this current case of contempt for racial profiling - now do you understand the facts?
Sorry for the confusion.
Over 170 died on his watch, some for unknown reasons. Lawsuits with millions in settlement over this.
However, the pardon was over telling the federal court to shove it, that he'd do anything he wanted.
Trump clearly is abusing the power of the presidency for his personal political gain.
Whether the Republicans in Congress will stand up to him, remains to be seen. They've been hard to find lately.
Over 170 died on his watch, some for unknown reasons. Lawsuits with millions in settlement over this.
However, the pardon was over telling the federal court to shove it, that he'd do anything he wanted.
Trump clearly is abusing the power of the presidency for his personal political gain.
Whether the Republicans in Congress will stand up to him, remains to be seen. They've been hard to find lately.
Well, congress has not stopped ANY other president for (in YOUR opinion) abusing the same powers so why should they start now?
Because you don't like the current office holder?
The pardon was payback to a supporter plain and simple, just like every other president has done over the last decade or two.
So, either start pushing for a change in the actual pardon laws or just keep up the partisan bitc#ing and nothing will get done.
Nah. He was convicted of felony contempt, but he would have spent his time in a low-security prison for non-violent offenders. There are a lot of non-violent federal prisoners who spend their sentence in prisons where they are safely away and separated from violent prisoners.
White collar criminals; accountants, lawyers, financeers and the like.
Some of the prisons also house aged prisoners who are now so old that they are too infirm to do any violence any more, and they are sent to the low-security prisons for their own protection. Many of them are nearly blind or deaf, have arthritis, are in wheelchairs or are senile.
Joe commented to Hannity that he didn't think the time would have been so bad. He was planning to play a lot of bocci ball while in prison.
Arpiao may be in more danger now that he's pardoned than he would have been if he had served his time. Once a convict does his time, other convicts regard him differently. If Arpiao had done his time, he would have become one of them, facing the same problems they all have.
The sentence would have removed him from Phoenix and allowed all the anger directed at him to cool down. Out of sight, out of mine.
But the pardon never gave him a chance for that, so now, he's going to have to watch his back whenever he goes out of the house for some time to come. Trump did the old man no favors with that pardon. He possibly just forced Arpiao into becoming an unwilling recluse, who wants to stay active in his community, but no longer can for fear of his personal safety.
Actually, it was a misdemeanor conviction and the chance he would have gotten any jail time was slim to none.
Since the pardon does not in any way nullify the conviction, all it did for Joe was to restore his right to vote, probably saved him from having to pay a fine that his idiot supporters would have paid for him anyway, and maybe gotten him out of a period of house arrest and/or probation. Oh yeah, and it got him back in front of TV cameras, which he loves as much or more than Trump does. He's taking full advantage of that already.
I agree that Phoenix will be inflamed over this, but if you think Arpaio is going to quietly go away now, well, you don't know Joe.
I do think you may be right about his personal safety, as this could be seen as an excuse by some to take the law into their own hands. That would be a terrible outcome, not only because it would be unjustified and abhorrent but it would make Joe a martyr, for which Trump would bear much responsibility.
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