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Old 08-27-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Is it constitutional for the feds to apply different laws to different states?
yes, if a state violates the constitution by abusing a federal program, the feds can rescind the authority for that order. That's what SCOTUS did in Arizona.

 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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yes, if a state violates the constitution by abusing a federal program, the feds can rescind the authority for that order. That's what SCOTUS did in Arizona.



True. At least now we have moved into the area of understanding that Arpaio was actually found in contempt of an order to not arrest known illegals, rather than the "Joe hates Mexicans" meme that was dominating the thread earlier.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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True. At least now we have moved into the area of understanding that Arpaio was actually found in contempt of an order to not arrest known illegals, rather than the "Joe hates Mexicans" meme that was dominating the thread earlier.
oh he hates them- if not, why abuse them?
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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oh he hates them- if not, why abuse them?



I have no clue whether hates them or not. Just pointing out that we have successfully moved the discussion to understanding that his contempt charge was about continuing to arrest Known illegals in violation of orders to stop , and not for abuses to Latinos or other such "I hate Mexicans" stuff.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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Arpaio faced criminal contempt charges over his failure to comply with a judge's order to end the practice of detaining people on suspicion they were undocumented.

Apparently, it is unconstitutional to do this, racial profiling and all. Who knew?

Arpaio said he didn't have to follow the Constitution or the courts.

Trump approved of this and pardoned him.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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True. At least now we have moved into the area of understanding that Arpaio was actually found in contempt of an order to not arrest known illegals, rather than the "Joe hates Mexicans" meme that was dominating the thread earlier.
It goes beyond just violating an order not to arrest "known illegals"

"In 2013, Arpaio’s chief deputy was videotaped in a training session for deputies in which he called Snow’s injunction “ludicrous” and “crap.” Snow noted that on the video, the chief deputy and Arpaio are seen directing deputies not to take seriously the court’s order directing them to track the race and ethnicity of individuals they stop.” The plaintiffs found that deputies had been confiscating personal property from people they had detained, including passports and cellphones, and illegally detained people for at least 17 months after the preliminary injunction was issued."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5e10a7dbe3de
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Below is the exact complaint against Arpio in the court order asking another judge to investigate contempt charges against Arpaio , and for which he was convicted. It is available in the link from a liberal site, Politico, I gave. This is not a media interpretation of what it meant, this IS the court order.



"In brief summary, in December 2011 , still well prior to the trial , this Court entered a preliminary injunction prohibiting the Defendants from enforcing immigration law or from detaining persons they believed to be in the country without authorization but against whom they had no state charges. It also ordered that the mere fact that someone was in the country without authorization did not provide , without more facts, reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe that such a person had violated state law".




In other words, even if you know you have an illegal alien, you cant detain him unless he has committed a state crime. That's the feds job, if they feel like doing it. No charges of casting too wide a net, harassing every Latino on the street, or anything else. Simply, if you find an illegal but he hasn't committed a state crime, you cant detain him.




Did Joe and his dept do other stuff? Apparently . But this pardon is for this charge described above.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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People are ignoring how many other horrible things Arpaio has done. Calling his jails concentration camps, botching 400 sexual abuse cases, many involving children, a botched SWAT raid where his deputies laughed as they set a puppy on fire, torturing inmates in jail cells in brutal temperatures.

This man belongs in jail.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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People are ignoring how many other horrible things Arpaio has done. Calling his jails concentration camps, botching 400 sexual abuse cases, many involving children, a botched SWAT raid where his deputies laughed as they set a puppy on fire, torturing inmates in jail cells in brutal temperatures.

This man belongs in jail.



If those other charges are true and he is found guilty, then yes he does. But that is not what he was charged with, nor what he had the opportunity to defend himself against.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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Trump sees the presidency is a playground for his amusement and the pardon is a toy he couldn't wait to play with.

He may even use it on himself somewhere down the road. I guess that's masturbation.
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