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Old 08-27-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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once again i will remind you that arpiao and his staff have been doing this since before the clinton administration, and they have been TRAINED by the federal government to uphold immigration law. they have also been investigated by both bush, and the clinton administrations because the mayor of phoenix kept making complaints about arpiao, and until the obama administration there was nothing wrong found.

this was a political witch hunt by the obama adinstration because obama did not want anyone actively pursuing illegal aliens.
That's not correct. The courts got involved AFTER Arizona passed SB1070 in 2010. Arpaio used it as a shield to illegally detain and arrest people for alleged immigration violations; many of them turned out to be citizens or legal residents of the US. In 2012 as a result of several challenges to the law, SCOTUS found most of it to be unconstitutional, the majority voting to overturn the bill was Kennedy, Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Steven Breyer, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Justice Elena Kagan did not hear the case. (Please note: Obama is not on the Supreme Court and played no part in that decision)

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Old 08-27-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Since Trump's criteria for a pardon is pardoning elderly prisoners whose release would really upset Democrats, we can expect his next pardon to be of Sirhan Sirhan.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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And yet, They were only able to pin him with contempt. Either our justice system is broke or maybe the accusations are unfounded.
There was nothing to charge him with. A nothing burger. the MSCO has 4000 employees in one of the most populated counties in the country. People die in jail, officers abuse their power. And multiply that over 20 years of Arpaio in charge. And the federal justice system works very well for the government. They have the resources to almost always win. If they had something he would have been charged. But arpaio did nothing to be charged with a crime for. Except for contempt. And random bad things that happened to inmates in the MSCO jail do not mean a systemic issue, just random bad things.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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A presidential pardon is solely at the discretion of the President and is neither subject to court or congressional review nor is an impeachable offense.



If he pardons people to prevent investigation into himself, then Congress most certainly can impeach him for attempting to squelch the investigation. "High crimes and misdemeanors " is basically whatever the prosecution ( the House) defines it as . Some of the framers of the Constitution wanted the phrase " Maladministration" added to the list, which means abuse of presidential power. The terms high crimes and misdemeanors was added instead to cover a broad range of possible offenses, including abuse of presidential powers.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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There was nothing to charge him with. A nothing burger. the MSCO has 4000 employees in one of the most populated counties in the country. People die in jail, officers abuse their power. And multiply that over 20 years of Arpaio in charge. And the federal justice system works very well for the government. They have the resources to almost always win. If they had something he would have been charged. But arpaio did nothing to be charged with a crime for. Except for contempt. And random bad things that happened to inmates in the MSCO jail do not mean a systemic issue, just random bad things.
Absolutely incorrect. They had to spend $43 million dollars settling cases. Arpaio officers tortured and killed people. Surveillance video showed them doing it. That comes from the top down. Trump pardoned that and called Arpaio a good American. Saying Arpaio is innocent because it was a misdemeanor ignores that the other cases WERE SETTLED.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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There was nothing to charge him with. A nothing burger. the MSCO has 4000 employees in one of the most populated counties in the country. People die in jail, officers abuse their power. And multiply that over 20 years of Arpaio in charge. And the federal justice system works very well for the government. They have the resources to almost always win. If they had something he would have been charged. But arpaio did nothing to be charged with a crime for. Except for contempt. And random bad things that happened to inmates in the MSCO jail do not mean a systemic issue, just random bad things.
That's what I'm saying. If these accusations were true then they would've thrown the book at him as they were desperately trying to get rid of him.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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Absolutely incorrect. They had to spend $43 million dollars settling cases. Arpaio officers tortured and killed people. Surveillance video showed them doing it. That comes from the top down. Trump pardoned that and called Arpaio a good American. Saying Arpaio is innocent because it was a misdemeanor ignores that the other cases WERE SETTLED.
And you have evidence of this right? You also have evidence that he was behind it all, I assume?
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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Absolutely incorrect. They had to spend $43 million dollars settling cases. Arpaio officers tortured and killed people. Surveillance video showed them doing it. That comes from the top down. Trump pardoned that and called Arpaio a good American. Saying Arpaio is innocent because it was a misdemeanor ignores that the other cases WERE SETTLED.



No, Trump pardoned the crime of misdemeanor contempt of court. Arpaio has not been charged with anything else, so there was no need to pardon anything else.


Really, its basic civics.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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The reason Joe Arpaio was not charged for those is because they settled those cases.

A federal investigation found that deputies had used stun guns on prisoners already strapped into a “restraint chair.” The family of one man who died after being forced into the restraint chair was awarded more than six million dollars as the result of a suit filed in federal court. The family of another man killed in the restraint chair got $8.25 million in a pre-trial settlement. (This deal was reached after the discovery of a surveillance video that showed fourteen guards beating, shocking, and suffocating the prisoner, and after the sheriff’s office was accused of discarding evidence, including the crushed larynx of the deceased.) To date, lawsuits brought against Arpaio’s office have cost Maricopa County taxpayers forty-three million dollars, according to some estimates.

Sheriff Joe | The New Yorker

Maricopa probably would have liked to have that $43 million dollars for other uses.



Maricopa no doubt would . But newsflash, you don't settle criminal cases with payouts. Penalty and restitution may be part of the deal, but what you refer to were civil cases, not criminal ones. The feds don't drop charges against you because you paid the victims a lot of money.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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Absolutely incorrect. They had to spend $43 million dollars settling cases. Arpaio officers tortured and killed people. Surveillance video showed them doing it. That comes from the top down. Trump pardoned that and called Arpaio a good American. Saying Arpaio is innocent because it was a misdemeanor ignores that the other cases WERE SETTLED.
A financial settlement does not stop the feds or even the state from pursuing Apraio if the government feels he was somehow responsible for the deaths by his policies or whatever. So yes there were some bad officers. If it was from the top down he would have been charged by the Obama Administration.

If you want to be upset with anyone it should be Obama's justice department who never charged Aripaio for all these horrible things you think he was responsible for.

Abu Ghraid. Horrible actions by the troops. Obama is the commander in chief. Should he have been sanctioned for what the troops did? It comes from the top down as you say. Buck stops here as they used to say.

It was a nothing burger as far as Joe being directly responsible for bad behavior of his men. Just like Obama.
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