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View Poll Results: Do you believe a POTUS should have the right to pardon anyone?
YES 41 58.57%
NO 29 41.43%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-27-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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BS, you based your question on Trump's action and were fast asleep for at least the last 8 years.


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Wrong. I voted for Trump, and would again. I would not want the pardon power removed, except permanently and irrevocably, from every POTUS.

I consider Arpaio an insignificant pardon, btw.

But I never liked that a POTUS could pardon or commute any sentence for any reason.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Lake Grove
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What about state Governor pardons? I agreed with then NY Governor David Paterson's pardon of John White, a man convicted of murder (or manslaughter, I forgot which) for defending his family. Look it up, the races of the people involved may surprise you.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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What about state Governor pardons? I agreed with then NY Governor David Paterson's pardon of John White, a man convicted of murder (or manslaughter, I forgot which) for defending his family. Look it up, the races of the people involved may surprise you.
They also should not be able to pardon or commute any sentence for anyone.
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Lake Grove
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They also should not be able to pardon or commute any sentence for anyone.
Did you look up the case? It was widely believed that John White was simply defending his family, but got convicted anyway. I applauded Governor Paterson for pardoning him, because I believed White to be innocent from the very beginning.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Did you look up the case? It was widely believed that John White was simply defending his family, but got convicted anyway. I applauded Governor Paterson for pardoning him, because I believed White to be innocent from the very beginning.
I believe in the rule of law, not men. There will be mistakes by any man or woman, but the rule of law is what makes this nation great.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Not if the people obama pardoned were the rule. Violent criminals who plead down to a lesser charge, felons, illegal alien felons, the head of the PR terrorist organization whose members clinton/holder pardoned.


Throw in clinton and holder pardoning the PR terrorists who killed people and Marc Rich, the bernie madoff of the 90s.


Trump's pardon of arpaio, convicted for a misdomeanor, should not tbe the case to prompt the question should a prez have the right to pardon.




Something has to be done about judges inventing laws out of thin air.
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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I'd like to hear the plan the whiners have for just how society would function were everyone allowed to ignore the laws they didn't agree with.
We have already lived through that period of time during the last administration. It got Trump elected.
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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I am not asking the question based on any single pardon, but rather upon respecting the principle of the rule of law.

It is a POTUS' sole right which, to me, more resembles the right a dictator might have elsewhere.

It rejects a court decision. We are a nation of laws, not men.
Goes back to appealing to the King..as a last resort...for justice.

Very old tradition.
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Perhaps if the POTUS gave a clear and exact reason as to WHY he is pardoning them, it might make sense. Like when OBama pardoned someone guilty of illegally dumping toxic waste. Why?
This is everyone Obama pardoned:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

No one asked about Presidents pardoning until Trump pardoned the sheriff.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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This is everyone Obama pardoned:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

No one asked about Presidents pardoning until Trump pardoned the sheriff.
I often wonder what makes these particular dirt bags worthy of pardoning. Here are a few of the offenses:

Conspiracy to smelt U.S. coins
Conspiracy to steal bank funds
Unlawful disposal of hazardous waste without a permit and causing a criminal act
Fraudulent issuance of money orders; theft of government property
Wire fraud (10 counts); mail fraud (two counts); conspiracy to steal trade secrets; conspiracy to transport stolen goods; interstate transportation of stolen goods

Why did Obama pardon these people?
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