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Old 08-28-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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And yet folks are fully prepared to make the claim that they WERE pertinent.

As far as her lapses in security. Not happy about that, but in the final analysis, there's no evidence any of those e-mails were EVER hacked - which is more than can be said about the Department of States' OWN e-mail system. Seems to me that under those circumstances they might have been better off on HER server than those of the Department of State.

Ken
That's been my take on the situation.

Clinton's server was far more secure than the State Dept.'s.

In any case, here we are now.

While Mueller doesn't have the authority to bring state charges, it appears that he is coordinating with the various Congressional committees on their hearings and it would make sense to coordinate with any state AGs who are planning on pursuing criminal charges.

 
Old 08-28-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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I don't know that pardons for the small would be such a bad thing for the investigation.

With a pardon, witnesses could no longer plead the Fifth as they would no longer be in danger of self incrimination.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Electoral-vote.com

"It is widely understood that Mueller's game is not to get Michael Flynn, per se, but to catch him as a "small fish" in the net in hopes of getting him to flip on the "big fish." The same is true of Paul Manafort, on whom the walls are also closing in.
Mueller now knows, thanks to the Joe Arpaio situation, that the President has no hesitation in using his pardon power to spare friends and supporters (particularly those with dirt, presumably).
So, the special counsel will likely try to find a way to charge this as a state-level crime, ideally in a Democrat-controlled state, so that Trump's pardon power does not apply. Flynn's residence is in North Carolina, where AG Josh Stein (D) might well cooperate and Gov. Roy Cooper (D-NC) is unlikely to issue a state pardon. Another possibility is New York, where meetings might have taken place. If that can be proven, New York AG Eric Schneiderman—who aspires to be Gov. Eric Schneiderman—would undoubtedly be more than happy to prosecute. (Z)
What crimes of "collusion" did Flynn & Manafort commit? Or is Mueller still fishing around to see if he can find something, anything at all?
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I don't know that pardons for the small would be such a bad thing for the investigation.

With a pardon, witnesses could no longer plead the Fifth as they would no longer be in danger of self incrimination.
Okay, but pardon them for what crimes??? Remember, that we are supposedly investigating Trump and associates for some vaguely stated crime of "Russian collusion to hack the election."
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Was Hillary acting guilty as h*ll when she disappeared all those cell phones & had professionals scrub 33k emails put of her server that had been subpoenaed?
This is where you lose all credibility. When the heat gets turned up on Trump the default is Hillary. This is not about Hillary, this is about Donald Trump.

While we are all speculating on his guilt or innocence LordBalfor spelled it out well. It is not the job of the investigators to protect the President. Every action Trump has done strongly imply he has something to hide, any unbiased person can see that.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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If true Mueller should be removed immediately. ...
This is how criminals are pursued. All over the United States on every level.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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If true Mueller should be removed immediately. This would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this investigation is political in nature & that the goal is to get Trump, not to investigate the possibility of Russian collusion
If I was Trump the minute Mueller tried anything like this I would fire him.

What we have here is nothing more than left wing radicals trying to stage a coup.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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I don't know that pardons for the small would be such a bad thing for the investigation.

With a pardon, witnesses could no longer plead the Fifth as they would no longer be in danger of self incrimination.
More than that. With a pardon, a witness can be compelled to testify or risk contempt of court charges. Additionally, the penalties for perjury are in full effect, even for someone with a pardon.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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More than that. With a pardon, a witness can be compelled to testify or risk contempt of court charges. Additionally, the penalties for perjury are in full effect, even for someone with a pardon.
Were they granted full immunity it would have the same effect. With the added benefit that if they did not fully cooperate, they could lose the immunity.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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I think the entire Mueller thing needs to be shutdown just over the leaks coming out of his team. How professional is this team if it keeps leaking things? Not very, it's ALL political.
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