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The state of Texas disagrees with you. Fortunately we have laws in place to prevent the very atrocity you wish to bestow upon your fellow man. In fact some of us are going around with cameras and recording devices documenting people trying to price gouge like that. The evidence WILL be turned over to law enforcement when this is all said and done. Lawsuits will follow and businesses ruined all because of a desire to profit unjustly off of other people's misery.
I honestly hope at some point in your miserable life you find yourself in a situation where you lose everything you own and some a-hole comes along and makes YOU pay for food, water, medical supplies at a 1000% markup just so you and your family can survive. I'd love to be there to see the look on your face when your opinion on this subject suddenly makes a drastic change.
Impossible to have an intelligent conversation here it seems. No matter how much we lay out the argument about vendors adding supplies that would otherwise NOT BE AVAILABLE, we have people like you forsaking free market proponents to the depths of hell, shooting the messenger and everyone else along the way in a blaze of bullets.
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is AMERICA, where we believe in free speech and free markets, and it's been responsible for the most prosperous land in the absolute history of all mankind. And I know it's hard for you to understand, but just because someone were allowed to charge whatever they wanted, it would not mean everyone would. Most would not jack up prices, many would give away for free (all of those would run out of stock, mind you), and some would meet market demand. If you don't agree don't buy, boycott them after the storm, but for god's sake take your commie socialist price control bullsh|t and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Duh! If the company thinks they can sell at profit without increasing price, they would keep the same price!
Also keep in mind, there is an anti price gouging law in place. How can they raise the price even if they want to?
lifeexplorer: If you do not allow price goughing, companies have no incentive to sell what they have, and they have no incentive to restock. They would rather watch people die.
Me: But in the real world they do sell and restock. How do you explain it?
lifeexplorer: The incentive is profit
Me: But you said their is no incentive unless they allow price gouging.
Impossible to have an intelligent conversation here it seems. No matter how much we lay out the argument about vendors adding supplies that would otherwise NOT BE AVAILABLE, we have people like you forsaking free market proponents to the depths of hell, shooting the messenger and everyone else along the way in a blaze of bullets.
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is AMERICA, where we believe in free speech and free markets, and it's been responsible for the most prosperous land in the absolute history of all mankind. And I know it's hard for you to understand, but just because someone were allowed to charge whatever they wanted, it would not mean everyone would. Most would not jack up prices, many would give away for free (all of those would run out of stock, mind you), and some would meet market demand. If you don't agree don't buy, boycott them after the storm, but for god's sake take your commie socialist price control bullsh|t and shove it where the sun don't shine.
I find comfort in the fact that the vast majority of Americans agree with my point of view over yours. If you can't see the difference between a free market concept and a f***ing DISASTER then I can't help you. You are a despicable person.
I find comfort in the fact that the vast majority of Americans agree with my point of view over yours. If you can't see the difference between a free market concept and a f***ing DISASTER then I can't help you. You are a despicable person.
You should look in the mirror, the truly despicable ones are those that take away the rights of others
lifeexplorer:If you do not allow price goughing, companies have no incentive to sell what they have, and they have no incentive to restock. They would rather watch people die.
Me: But in the real world they do sell and restock. How do you explain it?
lifeexplorer: The incentive is profit
Me: But you said their is no incentive unless they allow price gouging.
Why are you being a child here?
The companies will restock regardless they can increase price or not. The point is, if we allow price gouging, they will restock much faster and with more supplies. Therefore, more lives will be saved and fewer people have to suffer.
Here's an example. Our shelters are begging for baby products like wipes and diapers. If they can be sold at high prices, wouldn't drones already drop ship them to the shelters? Now, they have to let the babies suffer and wait for the road to clear.
I find comfort in the fact that the vast majority of Americans agree with my point of view over yours. If you can't see the difference between a free market concept and a f***ing DISASTER then I can't help you. You are a despicable person.
You are a horrible and despicable person who want more people to suffer and die!!!
Science is not democratic. You can't vote against the law of economics.
When we have ridiculous laws like anti price gouging, many people die!!!!!
Then so be it. It takes a special kind of sick mother f***** to gouge people who are in the process of losing everything they own and suffering greatly just to earn a few extra bucks. I'd love to see you come down here and try that s***. You'd get your ass kicked in pretty short order and the goods you're trying to hold over people's heads taken from you by force by a bunch of angry people. It's too bad you don't understand anything about human decency. You are truly a pathetic individual.
I am not defending gouging specifically, I am defending individual private property rights generally.
I defend the right even though some will exercise those rights in ways that may shock, offend and appall me. If rights are only allowed when they please others, then they aren't rights at all but a set of vague permissions that depend on the whim of the mob.
I understand plenty about human decency. I understand that acting in a charitable, neighborly manner is "decent" only when done by choice, not by force. When force is used to compel behaviors in violation of natural individual rights, decency is cast aside in the name of immorality, injustice and tyranny.
If a person owns a thing, they are free to dispose/make use of that thing in any way they wish, so long as doing so does not harm, obligate or otherwise violate the rights of another. If I own a truckload of bottled water, that water is mine. I can do with it as I please. I personally would give it away for free because I am charitable and I believe wholeheartedly in helping folks out when the need arises. But that is my f***ing choice, not yours or anyone else's, because it is my f***ing property, not yours or anyone else's. If I chose to sell it at cost, at 5% margins or at 500% margins, that is MY CHOICE BECAUSE IT IS MY PROPERTY. You have no inherent right to it, nor does anyone else. Disasters and crises do not alter personal property rights. That is my point that you keep refusing to get.
Laughably, you cannot just disagree either. You have to threaten and insult. In the earlier post I quoted, your position ended at there really are no personal property rights, and now you extend that thinking with me both getting my ass kicked and my property taken from me by force. So in your worldview, I have no private property rights, and I need to be the victim of assault and theft in order to understand my sin of defending a natural individual right?
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You are a horrible and despicable person who want more people to suffer and die!!!
Science is not democratic. You can't vote against the law of economics.
When we have ridiculous laws like anti price gouging, many people die!!!!!
Got a news flash for you, when a necessary good is priced higher than people can afford, and it's a choice of either paying the price or dying, most people will choose the third option and steal what they need, hence looters.....
Causing others to suffer is not a right. In fact there are many laws against such behavior. Prisons are full of people who can't grasp that concept.
Charging a higher price for a good/service that you own because of an immediate localized demand spike is not causing suffering. When a hospital charges $13 for a single tylenol tablet, that charge does not create or cause the illness.
In a natural disaster, the cause of suffering is the disaster itself. The extent of the suffering is dictated by one's own preparedness, awareness and responses. Someone selling water for an inflated price does not cause or create suffering. They have a good that they own, they are selling it at a price they feel is proper given the localized demand, you can buy at that price, negotiate a more favorable price, or tell them to f*** right off. Exactly none of those choices will lower the flood waters, restore your house to undamaged condition, make your life whole again, etc.
The reason you believe it causes suffering is the collectivist mindset that declares when an emergency or disaster occurs, all property now belongs to the collective, no longer the individual. Private property rights are rescinded in these occasions, per your viewpoint, therefore, withholding what you feel is no longer owned by the individual is tantamount to stealing it from the collective. Not your fault that you think this way, the government has spent the last 80+ years teaching the philosophy that nobody owns anything individually and we all owe each other. Violates every tenet natural individual rights and civil liberty, but that's what they teach.
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