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View Poll Results: Shoot looters on sight?
Yes 132 51.76%
No 112 43.92%
I'm too wishy-washy to have an opinion. 11 4.31%
Voters: 255. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-31-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: PSL
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You leave canned foods floating in a toxic, non-clean soup of water, they will not be safe to eat after a while.
Hence why I own waders. I cringe seeing folks roll their pant legs up! You dummies! there's bacteria galore coming up out of flooded leech fields and septic/sewer systems! Get out of that water!!!

Good way to catch sepsis. Why I have quarts of hydrogen peroxide and alcohol and antibiotic ointments and sterile bandages. Walk around and get sliced by what used to be gutter or something you're doomed unless you can treat it ASAP never mind the bleeding out part...

 
Old 08-31-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Not worth killing someone.

Your subjective morality might be different.
State law > morality every time.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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State law > morality every time.
Are all state laws the same?
Where does state law come from if not subjective morality? You've avoided this question before.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Feltdesigner View Post
there is a difference between looting a store and breaking into your home.
Some people have real problems understanding this.

The poll is flawed. It should have several more options.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: CT
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" Should it be legal to shoot looters on sight during a catastrophic event like a hurricane, earthquake or riot?"

I'm assuming this means, should it be legal for John Q. Public to take matters into his own hands and mete out some street justice(?). What's the difference between a thief breaking into a store and stealing a TV, or an opportunist looting an unprotected business during an emergency? Law enforcement doesn't usually shoot first to stop a thief, do they? Wouldn't it become a slippery slope?
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rakin View Post
Some people have real problems understanding this.

The poll is flawed. It should have several more options.
They understand they just don't see themselves in a flood while stranded and starving or dying or thirst.

You think I'm walking past a convenience store in a flood if I'm thirsty? You think I'm leaving IOU notes and worrying about the "law" when it's life or death?
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by CBeisbol View Post
Are all state laws the same?
Where does state law come from if not subjective morality? You've avoided this question before.
No I havent avoided the question, I posted the state laws when the other posted mention NY NJ and Florida. They dragged religion into it for whatever reason... as if the Bible Torah Quran etc etc are the laws of the land...

If you don't know how laws are made and placed, I can't help you.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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No I havent avoided the question, I posted the state laws when the other posted mention NY NJ and Florida. They dragged religion into it for whatever reason... as if the Bible Torah Quran etc etc are the laws of the land...

If you don't know how laws are made and placed, I can't help you.
Your slight is noted.

You keep stating that state law > subjective morality
But, you don't seem to realize that state laws absolutely come from subjective morality
That's why some states allow for stand your ground laws, others don't and some states have the death penalty and other's don't.
Right?
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:47 AM
 
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" Should it be legal to shoot looters on sight during a catastrophic event like a hurricane, earthquake or riot?"

I'm assuming this means, should it be legal for John Q. Public to take matters into his own hands and mete out some street justice(?). What's the difference between a thief breaking into a store and stealing a TV, or an opportunist looting an unprotected business during an emergency? Law enforcement doesn't usually shoot first to stop a thief, do they? Wouldn't it become a slippery slope?
In some states cannot shoot anyone breaking into home. Excessive force or some such wording.

So this whole posting is mute or moot.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 11:55 AM
 
Location: My House
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Really? got gap insurance? Everything in your car insured as well? How about your house? How's about if looters rip that off, are you fully insured for every little thing in there?

This argument can go on forever and the end result will always be if someone steals something from you no matter how well you think you're covered you WILL lose.
So, if you're happy just blindly handing over your possessions and your money to some dirtbag because some book or preacher told you so that's fine and your choice.
It's not a choice I'm comfortable with or willing to allow without some kind of fight...
Yes. We are heavily insured.

I have no desire to "hand over" possessions to anyone, but I sure do not plan to shoot to kill someone if they decide to steal something outdoors while I am safe inside my house during a hurricane. Or to shoot people if they steal from my neighbors who are not home because they evacuated.

The premise of this thread isn't "is it okay to shoot people who break in to rob and possibly harm you during a hurricane?"

Because, that would have yielded a different response. I don't know if someone breaking into my house intends to swipe our electronics (they are insured) or kill, rape, or otherwise harm us.

So, yeah... those people, it's already legal to shoot them in most states in the union. I see no need to even ask that question.

The OP reads like "is it okay to set up a deer stand in a tree near downtown and pick off looters who try to rob stores for WHATEVER GOODS during a hurricane?"

The answer there is NO.
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