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Old 09-02-2017, 06:28 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Clearly the whole amount is not "additional" if the expense is moved from States to Federal.
Yes, indeed it is, and the explanation is clearly given:

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"The increase in federal spending is so large because the federal government would absorb a substantial amount of current spending by state and local governments, employers, and households."
State and local governments DO NOT get federal funding to pay for their employees'/retirees' health insurance. Neither do employers or small business owners, self-employed, etc., who purchase their own health insurance.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:31 AM
 
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How would you propose keeping all the other fly maggots away from that honeypot of cash? I can hear the buzz now as they chase after each maggot's special interest program to be funded from the extra cash that magically appears?
What "extra cash?" The revenue generated from a 25% VAT tax on all consumer goods/services is the amount that's needed to fund a Bernie Sanders-style Medicare for All system, which is what Kamala Harris is endorsing. Restrict that revenue to fund only Medicare for All, and if costs of such decline, lower the VAT tax rate.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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Yes, indeed it is, and the explanation is clearly given:

State and local governments DO NOT get federal funding to pay for their employees' health insurance. Neither do employers or small business owners, self-employed, etc., who purchase their own health insurance.
Obviously it is not additional. I already explained why, so I won't bother again.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:35 AM
 
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Obviously it is not additional. I already explained why, so I won't bother again.
Yes, it is. And both the (left-wing think tank) Urban Institute and I explained why that is. Piling costs onto the federal government results in additional federal spending.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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What "extra cash?" The revenue generated from a 25% VAT tax on all consumer goods/services is the amount that's needed to fund a Bernie Sanders-style Medicare for All system, which is what Kamala Harris is endorsing. Restrict that revenue to fund only Medicare for All, and if costs of such decline, lower the VAT tax rate.
You obviously have not given any thought to the inevitable expansion of Federal powers and taxation. Instituting VAT in the USA for healthcare would lead to funding other programs with "just a little boost to the VAT for (your favorite boondoggle here)"
By "maggots" I meant "Congress critters", in case you misunderstood.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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bitcoin will become the currency most will use if you add a 25% VAT
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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Yes, it is. And both the (left-wing think tank) Urban Institute and I explained why that is. Piling costs onto the federal government results in additional federal spending.
I explained why you are wrong, and either you didn't read it, or didn't get it. Can't blame me for not trying.

I don't care if I pay $100 to the State, or to the Fed, because the amount it the same, not additional. You can talk about that being "additional federal cost", and someone can claim it as a "reduction in state spending", and both are equally dishonest not telling the whole picture.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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You obviously have not given any thought to the inevitable expansion of Federal powers and taxation.
I have. That's why I'm saying Americans would have to be on board with paying a 25% VAT tax like many European/Scandinavian countries have, to adequately fund Sanders'/Harris' Medicare for All proposal.

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Instituting VAT in the USA for healthcare would lead to funding other programs with "just a little boost to the VAT for (your favorite boondoggle here)"
Not true if codified by federal law.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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I explained why you are wrong, and either you didn't read it, or didn't get it. Can blame me for not trying.
I am not wrong. Neither is the Urban Institute. You just don't like the truth staring you in the face.

State and local governments DO NOT get federal funding to pay for their employees' health insurance. Neither do employers or small business owners, self-employed, etc., who purchase their own health insurance.

Medicare for All would increase federal spending on health care by $3.2 trillion/year. It would take a 25% VAT tax on all consumer spending on goods/services to fund it. If Americans are OK with paying that, we can have Medicare for All. /shrug
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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Kamala Harris announces she will co-sponsor single-payer healthcare | TheHill


You know with her on it it's bound to be a disaster.
Indeed, just when everything is going so well.
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