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Old 09-03-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Why do so many people think they know how others should vote in order to improve their lives?
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Have you looked at the regulations, and restrictions on private businesses by the corrupt government in Venezuela? The majority of business, and industry was privately owned in National Socialist Germany, yet the government still controlled it. That is NAZI Germany in case you didn't know that.

Venezuela is a capitalistic country that tried to become more of a Socialist state beginning with Chavez. It is still basically a capitalist country with the government introducing socialist elements in key industries and sectors.
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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Have you looked at the regulations, and restrictions on private businesses by the corrupt government in Venezuela? The majority of business, and industry was privately owned in National Socialist Germany, yet the government still controlled it. That is NAZI Germany in case you didn't know that.
Without the ability to print money, we are Venezuela.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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As long as you continue to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Has it ever occurred to you that it might make more sense to try to get the actual COST of healthcare under control rather than just forcing someone else to pay your bills for you?

Health insurance is WHY healthcare is so expensive in the first place.

People don't care what something costs when someone else is paying.

And when that someone is the government, the costs are more likely to go up instead of down because there's a guaranteed cash cow payer.
OK. So you are against a free market system? You want government controls to force insurance companies to offer affordable plans for all? Because that is the only way it's going to happen.

Your argument that if a country has UHC, then costs goes up, is demonstrably false. Canada spends less on healthcare and yet if you were to actually come up and pay for something out of pocket, it is MUCH cheaper in Canada, INCLUDING prescriptions.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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In Canada the hospitals are in private hands, but the insurance market is public, everyone pays into it with their taxes. You get to choose your doctor up there just like the U.S and all you do is show them your government issued healthcare card...and everything else is taken care of. Canadians like it and want nothing to do with U.S system.
That is the other wonderful thing about UHC. As you said, show your card, and that's it. There is no insurance paperwork, there is no worrying about what exactly is covered, there is no fighting with insurance companies to cover things that you are covered for but did not get reimbursed, there is no planning to do when you retire, there is worry when changing jobs, when moving etc, with having kids and having them covered, and you can see any doctor you want.

Darn right we like it.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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Venezuela is a capitalistic country that tried to become more of a Socialist state beginning with Chavez. It is still basically a capitalist country with the government introducing socialist elements in key industries and sectors.
Maduro is heading for dictatorship.

Socialism is okay as long as you don't run out of other people's money.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Without the ability to print money, we are Venezuela.
Not yet, but it is getting that way. Venezuela is not the model in which we want to emulate.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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For example universal healthcare should be a no brainer the US is one of the least efficient countries when it comes to healthcare as a advanced nation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...east-efficient

The same goes for robust welfare programs many working class people would stand to gain alot by having strong systems in place to protect them from poverty if a job is lost. It honestly makes no sense to me. Looking for some clarification.
There is a well organized group of billionaires who hate taxes, regulations, and the social safety net that makes our lives livable in this country. Read the book "Dark Money". I just finished chapter two and now realize how deep seated the hatred is of government. They would roll back all of the advances made by Johnson, Roosevelt and even Teddy Roosevelt to achieve their Utopia. They don't like to be called anarchists but they would thrive under those conditions and seek it.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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Why do so many people think they know how others should vote in order to improve their lives?
A darn good question, I'd say.

When somebody says: "Those illiterate, slavering boobs over there voted against their own interests, even though it damaged them severely."

What they really mean is: "My candidate(s) lost, because those people over there didn't vote the way I think they should have. I hope they all shrivel up and die."
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