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Old 09-03-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I'll just bet your net worth is at least a hundred times what mine is. Care to send my some money and spread the wealth around a bit?

Where do you draw the line? To someone who makes 15K a year, YOU are the rich guy that needs to be brought down, if we are going by your wage envy philosophies.

So here is a question for you: how much should Average Joe be allowed to make before he becomes an evil rich person? Give me a number... 5K a year? 10K? 20K? 50K? 100K? 500K? Who decides? You?
I don't want a ceiling I want a floor.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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7 figures+(seriously)
Congratulations. You just admitted that you are an evil rich person. You will now be a target for the underclass who is treated so unfairly. But then, you are rich enough to hire a couple of guards, no? You know... just to keep the riff-raff off from your manor lawn.

You honestly don't see the hypocrisy in yourself do you? Why aren't you giving aaaaaallllllll that money to the dopey living in a box in the vacant field down on main street? To improve his condition. I'll tell you why. Because you don't believe a word you are saying. You are the rich person you despise.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Austin
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How about the people who do everything right, but they happen to be a warehouse worker or janitor rather than an investment banker or lawyer? Did they make a bad decision? Answer honestly, no platitudes as they insult everyone's intelligence
The statistics reflect less than 7% of people who do the three things I listed above will live in poverty their whole lives.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Congratulations. You just admitted that you are an evil rich person. You will now be a target for the underclass who is treated so unfairly. But then, you are rich enough to hire a couple of guards, no? You know... just to keep the riff-raff off from your manor lawn.

You honestly don't see the hypocrisy in yourself do you? Why aren't you giving aaaaaallllllll that money to the dopey living in a box in the vacant field down on main street? To improve his condition. I'll tell you why. Because you don't believe a word you are saying. You are the rich person you despise.
I don't make 7 figures, I meant the people who do make 7 figures every year are the rich
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I don't make 7 figures, I meant the people who do make 7 figures every year are the rich
Ahhh, my apologies. I thought I had you against the ropes and cornered, floundering in the depths of hypocrisy. Oh well.

So seven figures would be your version of the cut-off point between the evil and the good. And how many progressives/liberals, do you suppose, make at least seven figures? Of those who do, how many do you think give away all their earnings to various causes that support the "needy"? Those that do, although I may not agree with them, I can at least commend them on not being hypocrites. But I suspect that is a very, very tiny percentage. And I'll bet they are the ones who preach the softest for the "cause." And of course, those seven-figure-folks who do the least for the "needy," yell the loudest that they need help.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Ahhh, my apologies. I thought I had you against the ropes and cornered, floundering in the depths of hypocrisy. Oh well.

So seven figures would be your version of the cut-off point between the evil and the good. And how many progressives/liberals, do you suppose, make at least seven figures? Of those who do, how many do you think give away all their earnings to various causes that support the "needy"? Those that do, although I may not agree with them, I can at least commend them on not being hypocrites. But I suspect that is a very, very tiny percentage. And I'll bet they are the ones who preach the softest for the "cause." And of course, those seven-figure-folks who do the least for the "needy," yell the loudest that they need help.
How about Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Cuban, ring any bells?

The evil ones are guys like Haley Barbour, Jack Abramoff and the Koch Brothers among others
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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If you believe the above, you are misinformed which explains your previous posts. Venezuela is a socialist country whose leader destroyed its economy with socialism and impoverished its people. But hey, the citizens have income equality!
The U.S. was in the same position if not for the ability to just print money.

That is not going to last forever.
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Old 09-03-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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The alternative?
Improve economic opportunities not social programs. When you think welfare is the answer you have given up.
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Old 09-03-2017, 07:39 PM
 
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Last year, more than any other, proves the fallacy of the OP's claim. Voters voted for the person that has a platform of doing things to IMPROVE their lives, especially the working class voter. They voted for the candidate that focused on economic issues, putting American workers first, improving the tax and regulatory climate for businesses, especially manufacturing.
People on the left don't understand Americans. They believe that any working class person who did not vote for HRC is stupid. Sure there were many liberals who voted for HRC simply because they wanted more handouts. How sad. They think working class people should vote for politicians who will give them more welfare and free medical and let them wait in line for gov-ment cheese.

Even if the left does not think much of them, the working class of america is capable of anything. Many are still filled with hope for a better life. Any many will achieve it. The american dream is still alive and the nightmare is welfare not the dream.
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Old 09-03-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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It is the false consciousness that Marx talked about in Das Kapital. The lower and middle classes get duped by the upper class into thinking they too will be at the top some day, so they vote for what the upper class wants, even though it is detrimental to them
We don't have classes in this country. We have races, and no race wants to subsidize another.

Of course, there's more to it than that in the case of government-provided healthcare. It gives far too much power and control over people's lives to an entity that has very different priorities.
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