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The same goes for robust welfare programs many working class people would stand to gain alot by having strong systems in place to protect them from poverty if a job is lost. It honestly makes no sense to me. Looking for some clarification.
The safety net programs we have are not by definition of socialist government, socialism. The definition of socialism is government ownership of the means of production—in other words, true socialism requires that government run the businesses. Under a socialist government the working class people can only earn X amount of dollars, with no chance for advancement in earnings, because they are capped at what ever value the government places on that industry.
Universal Healthcare: means that the government can regulate and negotiate the price of drugs and medical services, and it eliminates the need for a vast private health-insurance bureaucracy.
If we want to see doctors pack up and leave, tell them they are capped at say $100,000.00 a year.
I think what people fail to see in the welfare programs (safety net) and the medical assistance is how those funds are actually being put back into the economy, back into the businesses, that many businesses without those funds would close up shop. Same with the medical industry.
If for some reason the government came in and said, okay, we hear you and no more, food stamp, TANIF (or whatever that cash is called) medicaid, medicare, unemployment benefits, social security retirement and no more competitive exchange rates for health insurance coverage ... that that has been systematically been put into place to prop us up, all of those dollars would cease to exist in all the market places; those market places would begin laying people off. Cash used to buy gas, gone ... Section 8 housing, those people would be responsible for 100% of their rent. The government too, would have to lay off personnel, as the need for their job, just went away ...
Roughly 25% of our taxes from our wages fund those programs. Is the government going to stop taxing its citizens?
None of us were born 85 years ago. May be would should have been so we could see and experience first hand just what that above, looks and feels like. A time when the government couldn't/didn't pay their veterans and the bonus army marched on Washington.
There is a big difference between safety net programs (funds from our taxes paid in each year) and Socialism Government. Learning the difference we'd then have a better understanding of what it is we are asking for, before the point of no return.
Then too, perhaps the working class would stop voting against their own self interests and/or return to the voting booths and begin taking part again armed with knowledge.
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The people who receive guaranteed income which is the only reasonable solution as more and more jobs become automated.
When the government runs out of money, then what? If it only takes 1 person to do a job that use to take 20 people ... taxes are then only paid by the 1. Cash flow, there won't be any for the government to work with and pay out a guaranteed income of say $600.00 a month and with equality rights placed into the mix, the doctor earning $100,000.00 is also guaranteed that $600.00 a month, regardless ....
When the government runs out of money, then what? If it only takes 1 person to do a job that use to take 20 people ... taxes are then only paid by the 1. Cash flow, there won't be any for the government to work with and pay out a guaranteed income of say $600.00 a month and with equality rights placed into the mix, the doctor earning $100,000.00 is also guaranteed that $600.00 a month, regardless ....
So you would prefer starvation for the unemployed? Automation is coming most jobs you know today can be automated.
When the government runs out of money, then what? If it only takes 1 person to do a job that use to take 20 people ... taxes are then only paid by the 1. Cash flow, there won't be any for the government to work with and pay out a guaranteed income of say $600.00 a month and with equality rights placed into the mix, the doctor earning $100,000.00 is also guaranteed that $600.00 a month, regardless ....
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to my post.
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The people who receive guaranteed income which is the only reasonable solution as more and more jobs become automated.
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When the government runs out of money, then what? If it only takes 1 person to do a job that use to take 20 people ... taxes are then only paid by the 1. Cash flow, there won't be any for the government to work with and pay out a guaranteed income of say $600.00 a month and with equality rights placed into the mix, the doctor earning $100,000.00 is also guaranteed that $600.00 a month, regardless ....
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I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to my post.
“But you need to finance that somehow,” he says. “And it’s not just printing money. You are actually giving resources. And if you are giving that to someone, you have to take it from somebody else, one way or the other. And this is where it’s going to be really difficult.”
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So you would prefer starvation for the unemployed? Automation is coming most jobs you know today can be automated.
automation has been here long time, where have you been?
and I don't know why you think from my post I would prefer starvation for the unemployed. my post was about learn the difference between socialist government and safety net programs so as to cast a reasonable vote for which one wants to see happen.
automation has been here long time, where have you been?
Automation is set to put at least 40 percent of jobs on the chopping block by 2030 where have you been? New job creation is slow and mostly focused on niche high skilled positions. Oh I forgot the magical free market will save the millions of low and mid skill workers from crisis.
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Automation is set to put at least 40 percent of jobs on the chopping block by 2030 where have you been? New job creation is slow and mostly focused on niche high skilled positions. Oh I forgot the magical free market will save the millions of low and mid skill workers from crisis.
“But you need to finance that somehow,” he says. “And it’s not just printing money. You are actually giving resources. And if you are giving that to someone, you have to take it from somebody else, one way or the other. And this is where it’s going to be really difficult.”
If the same amount of money is being cycled through the economy it doesn't matter how many people are earning it.
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You are actually giving resources. And if you are giving that to someone, you have to take it from somebody else
Also, under such a system, money might not even make sense. We'd have to completely re-think economics.
Many of the resources that would be given would be time and labor - if those things were automated, they would not be being taken from anyone
what is it about my posts that have you seemingly all in a dither?
Your making an argument from antiquity. Even today lots of high paying programming jobs are going unfilled because most people simply are not capable of doing such work. This shows that this wave of automation is different. I could care less if 10 percent of the population worked and the rest received a basic income. However american conservatives seem to care because they believe the past will be like the future for eternity. https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
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