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I know "hate" is a strong word, but hate is what I feel when it comes to Trump. It is what it is, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I voted no.
I don't know about using the word "hate" in this context, but I do hate that Trump is POTUS...
Embarrassing is more the word that comes to mind, up there with disappointing, concerning (if not alarming), not only that Trump is our POTUS but because of the way so many Americans seem to think/feel about so many things in America, all too backward in all too many ways.
I mean this repeal of DACA as case in point; some 800,000 kids brought to America by no choice or doing of their own, and these are the people we set our sites on as part of making "American great again?" This is what we do? Now too Trump is allowing the debt ceiling to rise again, and what do Trump supporters think?
I live in such a state as well. You took more words than I would to simply make the argument our vote doesn't really matter, especially for those in solidly blue or red states. My attempt to explain otherwise was more with a focus on if/when and where someone considers their vote of some value.
I'm trying to learn you, but you hop, skipped, and jumped over the substance responding to what wrote you:
"Ultimately, there is no way I have the sort of confidence in Trump to make good decisions about these issues as compared to the confidence I had in Obama or Hillary, despite all their short-comings. Both Obama and Hillary demonstrated intellect, direction and ability to push their progressive agenda far exceeding anything the likes that Trump can claim, ... "
Obviously, anyone like you who wants to push a 'progressive agenda' supported Hillary/Bernie over Trump and will support the D in the future. Trump's decisions will automatically be bad decisions nearly every time because they'll rarely be whatever you consider progressive. [Where foreign policy fits in Obama/Hillary progressiveism is a mystery.]
A second obviously is that anyone who supported Trump didn't want more movement now in your progressive direction. Despite his missteps and mistakes so far, he has stopped and reversed in eight months the agenda you want. Why wouldn't his supporters in 2016 support him over the likes of Warren, Patrick, Harris, Bernie.
I know "hate" is a strong word, but hate is what I feel when it comes to Trump. It is what it is, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I voted no.
I had the same feeling when Obama was in office. He honestly hated the US, the law, the police and caused as much division as he possibly could.
I don't know about using the word "hate" in this context, but I do hate that Trump is POTUS...
Embarrassing is more the word that comes to mind, up there with disappointing, concerning (if not alarming), not only that Trump is our POTUS but because of the way so many Americans seem to think/feel about so many things in America, all too backward in all too many ways.
I mean this repeal of DACA as case in point; some 800,000 kids brought to America by no choice or doing of their own, and these are the people we set our sites on as part of making "American great again?" This is what we do? Now too Trump is allowing the debt ceiling to rise again, and what do Trump supporters think?
Nothing it would seem. They just don't...
I hate that he even ran for President in the first place. I knew of him before he ran for office. He basically kept claiming that former President Obama wasn't a citizen. And then there is his business practices.
I've never felt "embarrassed" by Trump. I never voted for him, I have nothing to do with him. He's "the President", not my President. I'm just stuck with him until at least 2020.
There are times when I'm more afraid/heartbroken by those who have this "worship" of Trump. According to some of them, Trump can't do any wrong. You get things like "he tells it like it is" or "It's good that he isn't polished". This is the thing. You can be honest without being brutish and ugly. You can be down to earth and close to the people without being a potty mouth.
Former President George w. Bush might have not been the brightest man, but he knew when to quit. He knew when enough was enough. Trump doesn't seem to get that. I don't think he "calls it like it is". I think he just opens his mouth and says whatever is on his mind, whether it's wrong or right. He could be telling the biggest lie, and some people will not care.
And the persons whom seem to wax the most poetically about Trump, well, I will just say this. Bush attracted an element that was of God, family, country(and sometimes baseball). I've never been big on being conservative. However, the conservative element that Bush attracted was more likable than the element Trump is appealing to. With Trump, it's like the ignorant and the bigoted are coming out of the shadows and showing themselves.
I had the same feeling when Obama was in office. He honestly hated the US, the law, the police and caused as much division as he possibly could.
The former President didn't cause any division. Those divides were already there and have erupted in violence going back to the 80s and 90s. Things were always in bad shape. It's just now, there is more of a boldness in being stupid. More people are willing to show themselves being stupid.
I voted no, but I would vote for him if Sanders was the Democrat nominee. I could think of nothing worse than inviting in a socialist.
Don't get me wrong, that's not a vote for Clinton. That's a vote against a President as embarrassing as Trump. We need a strong right of center, centrist party in this country. We don't. We have a party of fiefdoms. Aligned enough to vote things down, but apparently disinterested in doing something for the good of the country.
Clinton would not get much done as the GOP would have blocked her from doing anything substantial anyway, but she'd handle the view with a lot more diplomacy. Domestically it matters little, but America's inability to choose wise leaders is causing slippage within the world. It will be hard to regain....I hope we're getting something good for it that I don't see.
I not only voted for him the first time, but joined a phone bank and spent hours convincing people to vote for him.
Now, because of his stupid move of handing the DACA problem over to congress, instead of following immigration law and deporting these illegals, I am very sorry I worked on his behalf, and cast my vote for him
He is on my **** list, and I would never vote for him again.
I think I will skip the 2020 election, because I would never vote for a dumb, brain dead, liberal democrat.
You're welcome, I do what I can. At first I thought you just didn't understand the 20+ pages filled with explanations. Then I thought you just didn't appreciate the answers you were getting. But now that you finally know what it really boils down to, you can create a new poll.
The former President didn't cause any division. Those divides were already there and have erupted in violence going back to the 80s and 90s. Things were always in bad shape. It's just now, there is more of a boldness in being stupid. More people are willing to show themselves being stupid.
With all due respect, that's also how I see Obama. To take sides on things especially like racial matters without any benefit of getting all the details in order to endear himself to the left and minorites was indeed stupid and unforgivable IMO.
The first example to come to mind was Travon Martin when our President said if he had a son, he would look like Travon. There are other examples as well when Obama chose the low road in dividing this country but that's the first one that comes to mind.
I not only voted for him the first time, but joined a phone bank and spent hours convincing people to vote for him.
Now, because of his stupid move of handing the DACA problem over to congress, instead of following immigration law and deporting these illegals, I am very sorry I worked on his behalf, and cast my vote for him
He is on my **** list, and I would never vote for him again.
I think I will skip the 2020 election, because I would never vote for a dumb, brain dead, liberal democrat.
Bob.
Get over it. I'm pretty far right on most issues. He did the right thing and exactly what he should have done by giving it to Congress since it's Congress that makes immigration laws, not the President. You're the perfect example proving he ticked off people like yourself on the right and other people on the left that say he should have just granted them amnesty. That's proof he made the correct decision.
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