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I`ll try to help them. The statue doesn`t need to be taken down because he owned slaves. He led troops into battle against the U.S., the people who gave him a fine education at West Point. See the difference?
A U.S. that acted illegally, and brutally against the South purely for economic reasons, not slavery. That is why the South was welcomed back into the Union, they were Americans too, and even the Confederate soldiers are considered U.S. VETERANS. Your simplistic, naïve view of history is WRONG.
Would you support General William T Sherman statues?
The Sons of Unions Veterans and Sons of Confederate Veterans get along quite well and support each other and their monuments. One of the reasons is a period of time when the veterans of the war reconciled that we now know as 'The Grand Bargain.'
It was around the early 1900's that veterans from both sides decided to patch things up. Plus, the actual soldiers on both sides beloved they were fighting for a noble cause, regardless of the motives of the powers that be at the time.
"Robert Toombs or somebody once gave the best definition of that war I ever heard, "It was a war of one form of society against another form of society, and because one of those forms of society included chattel slavery and the other side didn't, except to a limited extent, it's always been identified as a war over slavery. Believe me, no soldier on either side gave a damn about the slaves, they were fighting for other reasons entirely in their minds.""
"Southerners thought they were fighting a second American revolution; Northerners thought they were fighting to hold the Union together, and that held true throughout the whole war, except for some people who were absolute partisans on both sides: fire eaters in South Carolina and abolitionists in Massachusetts. But most of the people were fighting because they were fighting for... Southerners once said I'm fighting because you are down here; if you want to invade my home you've got me to fight, others say you are trying to tear the fabric of the Union, therefore you should be put down and not allowed to do what you claim what you want to do."
"It's a very complex subject and I'm sorry to see it degenerate into a such things as identifying that flag as a symbol of racism, it is not. It was never intended as such. [The] Confederacy respected law above all things." ~ Shelby Foote
You Neo-Unionists can cling to your false narrative all you want if it makes you feel better. It's all slander and hate speech.
They don't get it. They think it is something like the group who broke away at Waco, TX. They don't understand that it was over HALF THE NATION that decided to break away. And it's not at all clear, whether their motives were good or bad, that they didn't have the right to do so. Had they not fired on Sumter, there is an outside chance that they would have indeed "gone their separate way." Or, possibly, things would have been patched up.
Ultimately, slavery was an archaic, barbaric institution that had been practiced throughout the world since the beginning, but was largely being phased out in modern nations at the time. It was only a matter of time before it wound have been economically unfeasible in the south and would have been done away with anyway--and then outlawed.
There was quite a large group of Confederates who fled to Brazil after the Civil War (look up Confederados). Some practiced slavery until it was outlawed in Brazil a few years later. There was no war over that. The former slaveholders adapted and that was the end of it.
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"It's a very complex subject and I'm sorry to see it degenerate into a such things as identifying that flag as a symbol of racism, it is not. It was never intended as such. [The] Confederacy respected law above all things." ~ Shelby Foote[/i]
What a crock.
Confederate flag is the battle flag of a war in support of slavery. It is indeed a symbol of racism.
Confederacy respect the law? Who are you trying to kid?
The powers that be at the time in the North and South were complicit in slavery and when the Northern industrialists decided to replace their black slaves with child labor in the early 1800's, they sold them to the South instead of setting them free. There were also a lot of slaves that came through ports in the North. Both sides are guilty of the sin of slavery, which is why the whole Unites States apologized for it in the 1950's
"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.
The powers that be at the time were complicit in slavery and when the Northern industrialists decided to replace their black slaves with child labor in the early 1800's, they sold them to the South instead of setting them free. There were also a lot of slaves that came through ports in the North. Both sides are guilty of the sin of slavery, which is why the whole Unites States apologized for it in the 1950's
But only one side is guilty of trying to tear apart the U.S.A. in support of slavery.
That's the reason these statues need to be moved and the Confederate flag needs to come down from public property.
"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.
He did, however, have a strong commitment to keeping the union together.
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