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Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I don't really see anything in him other than he will not continue Obama's policies, with which I 99% disagreed.
How could you completely disagree with Obama? Again, dumbfounded at all of you that act like Obama was some evil Mastermind that makes Stalin look like Adlai Stevenson in comparison
How could you completely disagree with Obama? Again, dumbfounded at all of you that act like Obama was some evil Mastermind that makes Stalin look like Adlai Stevenson in comparison
No, not evil. Just a social philosophy 180 degrees out of phase with my own. Pretty simple.
I don't look at a leader as a man, per se, I look at him/her as an agenda. He or she comes with a lot of baggage. I didn't like Obama's agenda or his baggage. But, I lived through it with only minor injuries. Now he's gone and hopefully his nudge toward coercive collectivism will soon be de-nudged.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No, not evil. Just a social philosophy 180 degrees out of phase with my own. Pretty simple.
I don't look at a leader as a man, per se, I look at him/her as an agenda. He or she comes with a lot of baggage. I didn't like Obama's agenda or his baggage. But, I lived through it with only minor injuries. Now he's gone and hopefully his nudge toward coercive collectivism will soon be de-nudged.
Well, what would you call it? The scheme of insurance is a collective mechanism wherein risk is spread across a large group (the collective) and a gamble is taken by the "stick men" that not enough of the collective will become sick or injured to use up the collective fund, thus diverting it directly to their mansions, BMWs, yachts, and golf vacations. This is the scheme that Obama (after initially rejecting the idea) made mandatory in our nation. Thus a voluntary collectivist scheme became a coercive collectivist scheme.
And the sad thing is that Obama actually opposed the entire thing initially, making a comment to the effect that it was like "having someone who can't afford to buy a home forced to buy one" (or some words very close to that). But, even though he was 100% right in that assessment, he caved to the socialists within his party and did a one-eighty on the matter. That day was the day I knew it was going to be a long eight years. He was a puppet for socialists, which is again a coerced collectivism, rather than a voluntary collectivism--and voluntary collectivism is perfectly harmless and acceptable. But as soon as it becomes coerced collectivism, it is the enemy of liberty.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Well, what would you call it? The scheme of insurance is a collective mechanism wherein risk is spread across a large group (the collective) and a gamble is taken by the "stick men" that not enough of the collective will become sick or injured to use up the collective fund, thus diverting it directly to their mansions, BMWs, yachts, and golf vacations. This is the scheme that Obama (after initially rejecting the idea) made mandatory in our nation. Thus a voluntary collectivist scheme became a coercive collectivist scheme.
And the sad thing is that Obama actually opposed the entire thing initially, making a comment to the effect that it was like "having someone who can't afford to buy a home forced to buy one" (or some words very close to that). But, even though he was 100% right in that assessment, he caved to the socialists within his party and did a one-eighty on the matter. That day was the day I knew it was going to be a long eight years. He was a puppet for socialists, which is again a coerced collectivism, rather than a voluntary collectivism--and voluntary collectivism is perfectly harmless and acceptable. But as soon as it becomes coerced collectivism, it is the enemy of liberty.
You know full well that Obama wanted the public option in the bill, but the Repub's and Insurance Lobby wouldn't allow it
The scheme of insurance is a collective mechanism collectivism, it is the enemy
At last a post that says something more understandable! Unless you're writing ONLY for your own perusal or those who just don't care , it helps if you draw a reasonable, understandable conclusion. Responders don't need to agree with you nor you with them, but it definitely helps if each has a pretty clear idea of what is being said and what point is being made.
To wit:
Post #38- What is your point or conclusion related to the quoted post?
Post #42- Who are the "Offended Generation". What does it have to do with "Assimilation"?
Post #55- Were you insinuating we should stick with Trump despite his deficits? Even if you don't accept what they are, you do admit he has some, right? What do YOU see they are? Should others go against their judgment and ethics to support a president? Not everybody knows your definitions (e.g. the Collective).
Post #68- You're drawing inferences/conclusions that don't logically follow. The popular vote doesn't equate to mob rule. Suggesting a change in the electoral vote doesn't equate to thinking the U.S. as a whole is awful. False logic. False conclusions.
Post #69- Every president and congress makes changes to the American "system".
Post#71- "Burn the house down....?" Scrap the system....?" Where did that come from? Overreach much? Drama much? No need to make these jump the shark statements. They don't help.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
We have two different social philosophies in this country that are at war with one another. I am on one side, you on the other. And no amount of fancy rhetoric is going to change it. Your side wants to enslave my side. My side simply wants to be left alone. Pretty simple.
There are lots more than two different social philosphies in this country. Way too simplistic to say there is ONE SIDE against ONE other SIDE. An oversimplication is just another overreach. Makes it easier to think you have a singular "enemy" but it just isn't so. I disagree on different things with a number of people I actually love. They are not on another side. You can disagree on an issue or issues but people who have a different perspective aren't automatically out to do you harm.
You're free to choose a "SIDE" with whatever parameters you choose. You can identify others as an opposing side. Up to you. But, not very effective outside an actual war or battlefield when you're defending your life and those of others. Better to learn to communicate effectively and make your voice heard where it counts. Alternate solutions and compromise ARE possible. The "system" and Trump won't always protect you in the way you hope.
[And if you don't participate in such a collective mechanism as insurance and you should have the misfortune of getting into a severe car accident or having an extremely long term illness requiring extended specialized care, who will pay for it? If you have no money and the hospital eats some of it and the state eats some of it, it's still your working fellow Americans who foot the bill in the long run, regardless of politics. Fair?"]
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