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Old 09-03-2017, 09:30 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Recently, Standard Time was shortened from the last Sunday in October to the first Sunday in November, and from the first Sunday in April to the second Sunday in March. I think shortening it was a good move. Back in the day I felt that Congress did the wrong thing by keeping the 55 mph speed limit and dropping year round Daylight Savings Time. But I digress. I think that Standard Time should run about 2 months either side of the Winter Solstice, or about the second to last Sunday in October to the last Sunday in February. That would facilitate after-work outdoor activities such as barbecuing, tennis, golf (for people like my boss) and running. Leaving work in pitch black is depressing.

My idea comports with the weather as well, lining the start of DST to the end of meteorological winter. Meteorological winter is December, January and February, or to be more exact, to correspond to the coldest 90 days, December 6 to March 6. If you look at snowstorms (I know Denver is different with its snow being October-November and March-April) accumulating snow usually starts around December 4-6, and goes in my area, near the coast, through much of March. But the very mild days usually come to a crashing halt around December 6, and late February often starts soft and warm days.

Meteorological summer, for simplicity, is June, July and August. As a weather buff I use the 90 warmest days, which are June 6 to September 6. Spring and fall are basically the days in between.
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Old 09-03-2017, 09:38 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Personally, I think the national speed limit should be set at 45 mph. That would keep the average speed on the interstates below 80 mph.

As for the time tinkering, I think we are too obsessed with the clock. Nothing we do actually changes the number of hours in a day or night. Does it really matter if we call the time we report to trade our lives for money each day 6 AM or 5 AM? Does that somehow change the astronomical cycles? Frankly, I wish they would just leave the clocks alone. Changing the label of a given instant of time or the sun cycle is nothing more than annoying.
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Old 09-03-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Recently, Standard Time was shortened from the last Sunday in October to the first Sunday in November, and from the first Sunday in April to the second Sunday in March. I think shortening it was a good move. Back in the day I felt that Congress did the wrong thing by keeping the 55 mph speed limit and dropping year round Daylight Savings Time. But I digress. I think that Standard Time should run about 2 months either side of the Winter Solstice, or about the second to last Sunday in October to the last Sunday in February. That would facilitate after-work outdoor activities such as barbecuing, tennis, golf (for people like my boss) and running. Leaving work in pitch black is depressing.

My idea comports with the weather as well, lining the start of DST to the end of meteorological winter. Meteorological winter is December, January and February, or to be more exact, to correspond to the coldest 90 days, December 6 to March 6. If you look at snowstorms (I know Denver is different with its snow being October-November and March-April) accumulating snow usually starts around December 4-6, and goes in my area, near the coast, through much of March. But the very mild days usually come to a crashing halt around December 6, and late February often starts soft and warm days.

Meteorological summer, for simplicity, is June, July and August. As a weather buff I use the 90 warmest days, which are June 6 to September 6. Spring and fall are basically the days in between.
This is actually not a bad idea. I still hold a grudge against Bush for changing it in the late 2000s however. I really liked that short period in late March where the sun comes up at like 5AM. That doesn't happen anymore since they changed the "spring forward" date.
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:02 PM
 
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Changing the label of a given instant of time or the sun cycle is nothing more than annoying.
Fair point
You report to work at 8AM now
And 8AM is the middle of the night.
Enjoy
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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Fair point
You report to work at 8AM now
And 8AM is the middle of the night.
Enjoy
Or, we could just say "report for duty at sunrise"... whatever time that happens to be on any given day, start a stopwatch, and stop when we've sold enough of our lives for the day (generally eight hours, but often more for the willing).
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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Or, we could just say "report for duty at sunrise"... whatever time that happens to be on any given day, start a stopwatch, and stop when we've sold enough of our lives for the day (generally eight hours, but often more for the willing).
How would I know when to set my alarm for?
I'd have to know what time the sun was going to rise, to know when to wake up.
And what about people who need to work before sunrise, or after sunrise?

We created the measurement of time for a reason.
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Recently, Standard Time was shortened from the last Sunday in October to the first Sunday in November, and from the first Sunday in April to the second Sunday in March. I think shortening it was a good move. Back in the day I felt that Congress did the wrong thing by keeping the 55 mph speed limit and dropping year round Daylight Savings Time. But I digress. I think that Standard Time should run about 2 months either side of the Winter Solstice, or about the second to last Sunday in October to the last Sunday in February. That would facilitate after-work outdoor activities such as barbecuing, tennis, golf (for people like my boss) and running. Leaving work in pitch black is depressing.

My idea comports with the weather as well, lining the start of DST to the end of meteorological winter. Meteorological winter is December, January and February, or to be more exact, to correspond to the coldest 90 days, December 6 to March 6. If you look at snowstorms (I know Denver is different with its snow being October-November and March-April) accumulating snow usually starts around December 4-6, and goes in my area, near the coast, through much of March. But the very mild days usually come to a crashing halt around December 6, and late February often starts soft and warm days.

Meteorological summer, for simplicity, is June, July and August. As a weather buff I use the 90 warmest days, which are June 6 to September 6. Spring and fall are basically the days in between.
Getting up and going to work in pitch black is even more depressing, particularly when it's bitter cold outside.


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Or, we could just say "report for duty at sunrise"... whatever time that happens to be on any given day, start a stopwatch, and stop when we've sold enough of our lives for the day (generally eight hours, but often more for the willing).
I think that is a lovely ideal, but totally impractical in any but a purely agrarian society.

I do kind of wish that we would settle on either Daylight or Standard and stick with it. Changing back and forth is basically like giving the entire country a case of jet lag twice a year.
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Personally, I think the national speed limit should be set at 45 mph. That would keep the average speed on the interstates below 80 mph.

As for the time tinkering, I think we are too obsessed with the clock. Nothing we do actually changes the number of hours in a day or night. Does it really matter if we call the time we report to trade our lives for money each day 6 AM or 5 AM? Does that somehow change the astronomical cycles? Frankly, I wish they would just leave the clocks alone. Changing the label of a given instant of time or the sun cycle is nothing more than annoying.
You clearly don't understand the importance of precise time-keeping and having just a bit of daylight left after work, during the winter. People who are oriented around outdoor activities and healthy exercise habits, know the significance of Daylight Saving Time. Our concept of the numbers of the hours in late afternoon and evening, is formed when we are young and we can't separate ourselves from that.
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Old 09-04-2017, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It's not a huge deal either way. Personally I'd move the clocks 1/2 hour ahead and just leave them there forever.
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Personally, I think we should be on Standard time year around. I don't like Daylight Savings time. For one thing out here in the west we have to run our air conditioners longer and the blazing sun for longer hours is annoying also. Perhaps mid-westerners and northerners find that funny but believe me you'd feel the same way if you lived here.
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