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Then he should not have OFFERED wedding cakes in his shop.
That's what this case is all about --- at what point does a state law violate a business owner's constitutional right to refrain from expressive or symbolic speech or compel them to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs.
I think the point is reached when the business activity involves participation in creating a unique item or product. A baker who refused to sell cookies, cupcakes, a pre-made wedding cake off the shelf is a different story.
Your logic is flawed. I will point it out to you by asking a couple of questions. Initially, after the baker refused to bake the cake, who went public about the the refusal, the baker or the gay couple? Who went to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the gay people or the baker?
Now, who is self-righteous, drawing attention to themselves? Since when is defending your right to freedom of expression, of free speech self-righteous?
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Why didn't the self-righteous people just say " Sorry, can't fit that one into my schedule, the place up the street is pretty good" BUT, NO, we gotta be self righteous and draw attention to ourselves.
The gay couple drama queens and the praying in public, hypocrites behaving like snowflakes deserve each other.
whats a gay cake look like? two guys instead of man n female? - what was so offensive to the baker? I dont have time to go googling just having a coffee before gop out and prepare for Irma- anyone?
Step out of your echo chamber - - there really isn't. Maybe the bakery did raise their clientele; maybe the bakery knew there were a lot of homophobes in the area. Good for them, I guess.
"Step out of your echo chamber -"
Grow up!
You use the term "homophobes".
Sorry to disappointing you but just because people do NOT agree with you does NOT make them they FEAR them, which is what "phobia means"
It seems this is the way the libs deal with most issues, if someone doesn't agree with them, they resort to juvenile name calling accuse those of "fear.
It is no wonder when hillary lost so many libs couldn't take it and had to go to their "safe" places with crayons and had to seek therapy.
whats a gay cake look like? two guys instead of man n female? - what was so offensive to the baker? I dont have time to go googling just having a coffee before gop out and prepare for Irma- anyone?
It's simple. For him, and many other people, marriage between two men violates their religious beliefs. He doesn't want to be forced by the state to participate in the celebration of an event that conflicts with his beliefs. He believes creating a custom cake for the wedding would be an act of celebrating and condoning the marriage of two men. He does not discriminate against gay people on the basis of their gayness.
I know that's mock-worthy to plenty of people who think religious beliefs are stupid and who are always eager to scream bigotry, homophobia, hate, ignorance.
No one is denying the baker the right to practice his religion. Baking and selling cakes is however not practicing religion. It is providing a service to the general public. Applying a litmus test to any customer is pure and simple DISCRIMINATION.
No one is denying the baker the right to practice his religion. Baking and selling cakes is however not practicing religion. It is providing a service to the general public. Applying a litmus test to any customer is pure and simple DISCRIMINATION.
So go somewhere else. If he were rude or you saw him **** in cake batter, or the place was filthy, would you still demand that he make you a cake? It's because he "said" he didn't want to make a cake for a gay couple that they got upset. That gave them the chance to sue. It's all BS.
I've seen businesses turn away customers they didn't like all the time. Maybe the customer was difficult, didn't pay money owed, or rude and the business decided it wasn't worth the aggravation. Just like if the customer finds the business staff rude or difficult, and decides to take their business elsewhere. There are places I won't shop because some of the staff have the attitude that they are doing me a favor by letting me shop there. I avoid car dealers because I find the sales staff to be among the most evil people I've ever encountered. Service managers, too. I know a real estate agent that would sell her own grandchildren for the right price. I have a sneaking suspicion that she's always got an eye peeled for a caravan of gypsies.
No one is denying the baker the right to practice his religion. Baking and selling cakes is however not practicing religion. It is providing a service to the general public. Applying a litmus test to any customer is pure and simple DISCRIMINATION.
So go somewhere else. If he were rude or you saw him **** in cake batter, or the place was filthy, would you still demand that he make you a cake? It's because he "said" he didn't want to make a cake for a gay couple that they got upset. That gave them the chance to sue. It's all BS. ...
Denying US citizens of their right to have a hearing is not the rational answer here:
As per U.S. Supreme Court, Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc., 390 U.S. 400 (1968), Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc. No. 339
Argued March 7, 1968, Decided March 18, 1968, 390 U.S. 400
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...When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, it was evident that enforcement would prove difficult, and that the Nation would have to rely in part upon private litigation as a means of securing broad compliance with the law. ...
WRONG. It is his religion that is irrelevant when it comes to baking and selling cakes to the general public.
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