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Originally Posted by steven_h
You want us to give the land back to the "native Americans"
So, you're prepared to leave and go back to whatever country your heritage is?
Are you going to send all black people back to Africa? All white people back to Europe? All Latino's back to Spain?
You all talk feel good BS and never think the implications through. Irrational is the best word that describes the nonsense.
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There are two separate things here that do not have any connection to each other.
1- The question that the land should be given back to the original occupants.
2- That those who give the land back should go back to their original homelands.
The first, the question, is impossible in several ways.
• The original occupants during the time their lands were taken are all dead now.
• Who owned the land was never settled when the white men took it over. Different tribes made claim to the same territory at the same time.
• The white men occupied territory that never had any tribal claims on it. Tribes moved in and out, avoiding each other or not, but none claimed many areas as theirs alone.
All this, and many other items, make returning the lands impossible to do legally. Land transaction is either by deed or by possession. The deeds are no longer valid, as they pertain to those who are now deceased, with no clear lines of inheritance, and by possession, they are now held by white men or the tribes who have occupied the land since. The tribes now own their lands by valid deeds, as do the white men.
There's nothing in our law that allows returning the lands. If there was, who gets them would still remain undecided.
The second, the notion everyone who once moved here should go back to their original country, is also impossible.
Do you know your heritage? If so, you are probably part this and part that. Most of us are not of only one lineage or national heritage anymore. So, who are you?
American. Just as we all are. We were once other nationalities, but no longer. You may still have traces of your origins, but you are now American. The mother country moved on after your ancestors left and came here, and you are not like them anymore. Time has erased those similarities.
So. This entire thought is ridiculous. Who, exactly, proposes giving the lands back anyway? No one but you.
But as an argument, this fell down on its face and broke its nose.
We could debate the first, or the second, but there are no ties between them. They are different arguments.
And since no one is proposing either, all this is nothing more that discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Or a topic for guys who have drunk a few too many beers to make any sense when they argue.
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