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... Conservatives being Constitutionalist was always a farce, second to their family-values nonsense.
At least Democrats had the decency to cut ties to people like John Edwards and Anthony Weiner when it became clear how dirty they were. Republicans went ahead and elected theirs to the oval office.
they never cut ties with Bill clinton or sen byrd.
trying to claim the high moral ground is always the strategy of the dishonest and deceitful....and politicians and their campaigns
With all of the many, many, many leaks, allegedly by those in the know, one would think that there would be at least a tidbit of information that possibly ties Trump to wrong doing, if there is any wrong doing that is . but nope, not a thing. Nothing before Mueller, and, apparently the House is also investigating, nothing from them either. Ahh, so many leaks by 'unknown sources', yet, no real info.
It also appears that Mueller is still actively trying to find evidence of wrong doing by Trump in firing Comey .. at this stage, it very well could be that Mueller has nothing and Trump's firing of Comey was not obstruction.
How about truth.
CNN did state that the Trump-Russia thing was b.s., that they were only doing it for ratings. They even snickered at the thought of 'journalistic integrity'. Yeah, not biased at all, hmm?
You do know that CNN, MSNBC, Wapo, .. basically, the 'corporate' media is not the only 'free press' in this country, don't you?
And what media do you consume? Breitbart? FOX? Are those not biased?
The point is that all media is biased. That's why you're supposed to consume a lot of it from different sources and use your brain to critically interpret information. Some things the "corporate" media gets right, some they get wrong.
But not every piece of news that doesn't suck Trump's **** is "fake news" and a lack of journalistic integrity.
And the Trump-Russia thing... I don't know if it's real or not, all I do know is that the FBI does not typically get involved in investigations that are just made-up baloney for the sake of helping out liberals. They usually have some evidence angle that they are pursuing. Doesn't mean that Trump is necessarily guilty of anything, but it also doesn't mean it's just a "witch hunt."
Mueller and Comey are public servants with reputations of integrity the likes of which you could only wish for. Mueller was a marine who served with valor in Vietnam, and he didn't have to go. These are not guys who **** around with investigations to help out Hillary. I would sooner trust them to look into things objectively than Trump or anyone in your right-wing media.
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And what media do you consume? Breitbart? FOX? Are those not biased?
The point is that all media is biased. That's why you're supposed to consume a lot of it from different sources and use your brain to critically interpret information. Some things the "corporate" media gets right, some they get wrong.
But not every piece of news that doesn't suck Trump's **** is "fake news" and a lack of journalistic integrity.
And the Trump-Russia thing... I don't know if it's real or not, all I do know is that the FBI does not typically get involved in investigations that are just made-up baloney for the sake of helping out liberals. They usually have some evidence angle that they are pursuing. Doesn't mean that Trump is necessarily guilty of anything, but it also doesn't mean it's just a "witch hunt."
Mueller and Comey are public servants with reputations of integrity the likes of which you could only wish for. Mueller was a marine who served with valor in Vietnam, and he didn't have to go. These are not guys who **** around with investigations to help out Hillary. I would sooner trust them to look into things objectively than Trump or anyone in your right-wing media.
Why do people automatically start pointing fingers towards Breitbart and Fox? Along with CNN, etc., those not the only media sources out there. I guess you're completely fine with CNN shoveling the Trump-Russia story even after they said it was b.s., and, you're fine with them kicking journalistic ethics to the side, that they see those ethics as nothing but a joke.
Every one saw how Comey listed all of the wrongs that Hillary did. Everyone then saw Comey step out of his pay grade to say she wouldn't be charged. Recently it has come to light that he never intended charging her from the start .. yeah, some trustworthy guy you got there.
Wtf does serving in Vietnam have to do with anything???
Why do people automatically start pointing fingers towards Breitbart and Fox? Along with CNN, etc., those not the only media sources out there. I guess you're completely fine with CNN shoveling the Trump-Russia story even after they said it was b.s., and, you're fine with them kicking journalistic ethics to the side, that they see those ethics as nothing but a joke.
Every one saw how Comey listed all of the wrongs that Hillary did. Everyone then saw Comey step out of his pay grade to say she wouldn't be charged. Recently it has come to light that he never intended charging her from the start .. yeah, some trustworthy guy you got there.
Wtf does serving in Vietnam have to do with anything???
We know where Trumpers tend to get their news.
CNN does not determine of the Russia-Trump stuff is BS; the FBI does. They will complete their investigation and announce any finding, whether good or bad for Trump. I do not claim to know one way or another.
Comey was not outside of his pay grade to say Hillary wouldn't be charged after reviewing her last round of emails, and he probably contributed significantly to her election loss - so it's kind of stupid to say he is a friend of hers and steering things her way. If he wanted to help her out, he wouldn't have come forward with that renewed investigation literally a few weeks before the election.
The point with the Vietnam thing is that you're trashing a man - Bob Mueller - who has demonstrated more principled integrity in his little finger than you may ever have had in your life. Boh Mueller isn't a politician, but a prosecutor - and a damn good one. His reputation in the industry is unparalleled. I've studied up on him. I've known some people who have worked with him. You can't support a guy as personally questionable as Trump and seriously try to suggest that Mueller is some sort of a corrupt partisan hack. Reflects more on you than on him.
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We know where Trumpers tend to get their news. Obviously you don't.
CNN does not determine of the Russia-Trump stuff is BS; the FBI does. They will complete their investigation and announce any finding, whether good or bad for Trump. I do not claim to know one way or another. No, CNN doesn't make 'legal' determinations. But, their 'internal' determination was that it's b.s., yet they continued to run with it.
Comey was not outside of his pay grade to say Hillary wouldn't be charged after reviewing her last round of emails, and he probably contributed significantly to her election loss - so it's kind of stupid to say he is a friend of hers and steering things her way. If he wanted to help her out, he wouldn't have come forward with that renewed investigation literally a few weeks before the election. Absolutely he was outside of his pay grade. It's up to Comey to figure out if there is a wrong. IF he finds a wrong then it's up to him to turn it over to the AG, if the AG isn't capable, then to turn it over to the Deputy AG, and so on down the line. It is up to the AG, or Deputy AG, or etc., to decide if charges need to be file - and not up to the head of the FBI to make that decision. Yeah, a real boy scout.
The point with the Vietnam thing is that you're trashing a man - Bob Mueller - who has demonstrated more principled integrity in his little finger than you may ever have had in your life. Boh Mueller isn't a politician, but a prosecutor - and a damn good one. His reputation in the industry is unparalleled. I've studied up on him. I've known some people who have worked with him. You can't support a guy as personally questionable as Trump and seriously try to suggest that Mueller is some sort of a corrupt partisan hack. Reflects more on you than on him.
Putting the personal attacks you've made at me aside. In this country, I do have the right to question why he is ignoring the law that I'd posted, and, why his investigation is centered on only two campaigns, when Hillary (and Bill) have had dealings with Russia, and, may have more to do with Russia then anyone else.
Vietnam has absolutely nothing to do with this topic, and you know that.
With all of the many, many, many leaks, allegedly by those in the know, one would think that there would be at least a tidbit of information that possibly ties Trump to wrong doing, if there is any wrong doing that is . but nope, not a thing. Nothing before Mueller, and, apparently the House is also investigating, nothing from them either. Ahh, so many leaks by 'unknown sources', yet, no real info.
It also appears that Mueller is still actively trying to find evidence of wrong doing by Trump in firing Comey .. at this stage, it very well could be that Mueller has nothing and Trump's firing of Comey was not obstruction.
How about truth.
CNN did state that the Trump-Russia thing was b.s., that they were only doing it for ratings. They even snickered at the thought of 'journalistic integrity'. Yeah, not biased at all, hmm?
You do know that CNN, MSNBC, Wapo, .. basically, the 'corporate' media is not the only 'free press' in this country, don't you?
Show us a video clip or a link where CNN said that the "Trump-Russia" thing was b/s.
Bonifield said "could" be b/s. Now we know of course that it wasn't. And it was the New York attorney general who described Trump university as "a straight up fraud" masquerading as a business not me.
Just because a bunch of cons don't like ACA, they call it dictatorial. It wasn't; it was passed through Congress according to the laws of our land.
Obama's executive orders may not have been all great, but they were legal and in no way historically unprecedented for Republican or Democrat presidents. Trump uses them too.
You may not have liked his policies, but Obama never did anything "dictatorial.". That's just conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and acting like drama queens.
BUT... Trump has acted in some specific ways that are more concerning.. ways that are not (so far) illegal but that undermine the intent of our Constitution.. ways that Obama and other former R and D presidents have not:
1. Engaging in a concerted effort to undermine a free press capable of criticizing the President.
well lets see here, clinton and obama both attacked the press they didnt like, so what is new here?
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2. Retaining his businesses stakes and conflating his private profit-making interests with his public policy interests as President.
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trump turned over the day to day operations to his children, and he at this time doesnt control his businesses.
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3. Engaging in gross nepotism - appointing his unqualified family members to his cabinet because of blood relation.
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trump has no family members in his cabinet. he might have family member on his staff, but there is no law against that.
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4. Undermining the ability of the Justice Department to act independently by firing the FBI director for political motive and demanding loyalty in private from top prosecutors.
the FBI director serves that the pleasure of the president, and he as the right to fire any appointee in the executive branch anytime he chooses. remember that the president runs the executive branch, not congress, or the judicial branch. and for the record, trump was considering firing comey after he was inaugurated in january, but took his time firing him.
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Conservatives talk a big game on Constitution and law and order, as if they were moral authorities on it, but the fact that they are let these concerning behaviors slide tells you they are not serious about protecting the Constitution; it's just self-serving spin.
there is no constitutional issue here. what trump has done is not illegal nor unconstitutional. if oyu think they are i suggest you read the constitution again.
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In the end, I have confidence in our free press, our Congress, and our Judicial Branch to check Trump's power just like previous Presidents so that our Republic can move past him one day.
in reality we do not have a free press, at least not the mainstream media, since they are in the pockets of the democrat party. the mainstream media was just a giant ad agency for hillary for the two years leading up to the election. obama was the one that needed his powers checked, for instance the completely unconstitutional DACA executive order. it was NEW law, not a proper refinement of existing law. the republicans in congress should have sued the obama administration to prevent the act from being enforced, but they had no backbone to do so.
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