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Old 09-11-2017, 11:15 AM
 
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Trump takes a bashing, and I could say there are so many ways in which he deserves it.

Obama took a bashing before him, and people will say he deserved it.

Clinton, the Bush's, Carter, etc - all got bashed. And for the most part the bashing depended on what side of the fence you were on and not with blinders on just looking at the individual.

Politically I believe a majority stand behind a party platform (in general) and not a specific individual (POTUS). The debates rage on regarding all of the details of the specific line items each party stands for and how a POTUS approaches each. But in the big picture, you either believe in the left or right ideology which forms the base of your opinion before you even look at the POTUS.

As social media, the internet, regular media all continue to expand their reach it's just easier to see all of the bashing, which in fact has been happening for decades if not centuries. It gets personal, but with our two party system this will always happen where every POTUS will be under attack.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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Trump takes a bashing, and I could say there are so many ways in which he deserves it.

Obama took a bashing before him, and people will say he deserved it.

Clinton, the Bush's, Carter, etc - all got bashed. And for the most part the bashing depended on what side of the fence you were on and not with blinders at just looking at the individual.

Politically I believe a majority stand behind a party platform (in general) and not a specific individual (POTUS). The debates rage on regarding all of the details of the specific line items each party stands for and how a POTUS approaches each. But in the big picture, you either believe in the left or right ideology which forms the base of your opinion before you even look at the POTUS.

As social media, the internet, regular media all continue to expand their reach it's just easier to see all of the bashing, which in fact has been happening for decades if not centuries. It gets personal, but with our two party system this will always happen where every POTUS will be under attack.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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Trump takes a bashing, and I could say there are so many ways in which he deserves it.

Obama took a bashing before him, and people will say he deserved it.

Clinton, the Bush's, Carter, etc - all got bashed. And for the most part the bashing depended on what side of the fence you were on and not with blinders at just looking at the individual.

Politically I believe a majority stand behind a party platform (in general) and not a specific individual (POTUS). The debates rage on regarding all of the details of the specific line items each party stands for and how a POTUS approaches each. But in the big picture, you either believe in the left or right ideology which forms the base of your opinion before you even look at the POTUS.

As social media, the internet, regular media all continue to expand their reach it's just easier to see all of the bashing, which in fact has been happening for decades if not centuries. It gets personal, but with our two party system this will always happen where every POTUS will be under attack.
Yes, but have you seen the amount of Fake News in the media for nearly two years... they lost and can't seem to get over it... if it's war you want, its war you get... at some point, the media needs to apologize for lying to the public but I don't think they have backbone to do that...
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Trump takes a bashing, and I could say there are so many ways in which he deserves it.

Obama took a bashing before him, and people will say he deserved it.

Clinton, the Bush's, Carter, etc - all got bashed. And for the most part the bashing depended on what side of the fence you were on and not with blinders on just looking at the individual.

Politically I believe a majority stand behind a party platform (in general) and not a specific individual (POTUS). The debates rage on regarding all of the details of the specific line items each party stands for and how a POTUS approaches each. But in the big picture, you either believe in the left or right ideology which forms the base of your opinion before you even look at the POTUS.

As social media, the internet, regular media all continue to expand their reach it's just easier to see all of the bashing, which in fact has been happening for decades if not centuries. It gets personal, but with our two party system this will always happen where every POTUS will be under attack.
Is this part of a thesis or a blog? If no one knew this to be true before your post, I shudder at the thought your announcement will be some great epiphany for the masses at this time in our history.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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Yes, but have you seen the amount of Fake News in the media for nearly two years... they lost and can't seem to get over it... if it's war you want, its war you get... at some point, the media needs to apologize for lying to the public but I don't think they have backbone to do that...
I was watching Hurricane Irma coverage yesterday. Jim Cantore standing outside with winds >100MPH with a high risk of a projectile which would kill. People watch. It's exciting. It's business. Viewership. With politics the media is ruthless. Some media outlets are obviously lean to one side or another, and it's quite difficult to get bi-partisan down the middle reporting. Media apologize? Never. People watch and it's fuel for debate fires. Sad really, which is why I watch less and less news.

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First of all, Trump isn't a traditionally ideological politician. If he was, he wouldn't have cut a funding deal with the Democrats after 9 months.

Second, the left/right paradigm isn't as useful as it used to be in describing politics. Modern politics is better described by rural/urban, elite/non-elite and globalist/nationalist.

Interestingly, Trump himself is urban and elite, but mostly represents the views of rural, non-elite nationalists.
Whether Trump himself is traditional or not, he became POTUS on the rights platform, with an entirely right congress. Thus his guidance is driven by the right, and whether he waivers or not it's still grounded on that side of the fence.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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I'm not that ideological. I lean left but I dislike Trump for his personality and corruption, and Hillary's situation stank almost as badly to me.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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Aside for all the rhetoric, POTUS has more or less operated as an independent who just looks out for american citizens best interests. In my opinion, he's doing a great job.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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First of all, Trump isn't a traditionally ideological politician. If he was, he wouldn't have cut a funding deal with the Democrats after 9 months.

Second, the left/right paradigm isn't as useful as it used to be in describing politics. Modern politics is better described by rural/urban, elite/non-elite and globalist/nationalist.

Interestingly, Trump himself is urban and elite, but mostly represents the views of rural, non-elite nationalists.
You think he represents the views of rural, non-elite nationalists? Gimme a break. He knew how to win the election is all. Trump is very much the opposite of what you said. You're not paying attention or you don't really know Trump.

He ran on promises to do certain things that could have been done years ago by many in his party. All of a sudden he comes in and it gets done? No, it doesn't. It's the trickery you have fallen for. Just like many other Americans.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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Is this part of a thesis or a blog? If no one knew this to be true before your post, I shudder at the thought your announcement will be some great epiphany for the masses at this time in our history.
Based on the continued barrage of individual threads picking apart everything from legislative decisions to the color of Trump's underwear, I sometimes wonder
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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Based on the continued barrage of individual threads picking apart everything from legislative decisions to the color of Trump's underwear, I sometimes wonder
Yeah but those threats don't come folks who matter. Where as when Obama was POTUS they did...they hindered him. Trump is not being hindered by his party. He's lashed out at them and for the life of me you think he's their kind? Trump is the "Trump" kind.
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