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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Dave Mustaine's response to the PMRC's nonsense, written years before he became a disciple of Alex Jones and started spouting equal amounts of nonsense.
I miss this lineup of Megadeth, by the way. The World Needs A Hero is a greatly underrated disc.
One of my favorite pastors to watch is Brain Houston. Funny, I've never seen that! Or heard that either for that matter ... wow Angel of Death huh.
Okay Aussie, one of my favs, "Heavy Metal (1981) Trailer", due to adult content I can not link it, but I bet you can find it on YouTube. If you can find the whole movie, might I suggest an altered sate of mind for viewing. Pick your poison. Mine got left behind in the 80's and didn't come with me.
I don't partake of any such poisons. My mind is like this when I'm stone cold sober .
I'm an occasional reader of Heavy Metal magazine and sometimes buy it on my trips to the comic shop. There's some great talent on both sides of the camera in that movie, and I thank you for prompting me to revisit. Have you seen the sequel?
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Location: North Pacific
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I don't partake of any such poisons. My mind is like this when I'm stone cold sober .
I'm an occasional reader of Heavy Metal magazine and sometimes buy it on my trips to the comic shop. There's some great talent on both sides of the camera in that movie, and I thank you for prompting me to revisit. Have you seen the sequel?
I found it (heavy metal) saved on a flash drive and recently revisited the movie, yes I agree about the talent. No, I have yet to see the sequel. I didn't know there was one. ty ...
So, stone sober huh? I don't know which confession is worse, yours or mine.
Back to the cult topic, Helter Skelter ... that one unfortunately was American made ... (again can't link it) not a comic strip either, more serious than fun.
To be honest I was never a heavy metal person as a teen growing up in the 70's. I wanted to be a journalist, but then I realized culture art and me don't really mix as I don't follow the arts. But some things I come across are fun, thus the reason I jumped into your thread.
But some things I come across are fun, thus the reason I jumped into your thread.
And it's good to have you aboard. I've enjoyed everyone's contributions to the topic so far.
It's a subject close to my heart because, without exaggeration, heavy metal has given me more reason to celebrate and value being alive than most of what I've heard from the pulpit. Beginning with KISS at the tender age of four in 1980, this music has inspired, encouraged and comforted me when I needed it most.
To read of it being demonised by people who haven't taken the time to listen to or understand it and are fearful of its influence baffles and angers me. I think this is because they know it has more meaning for 'the kids' than whatever Biblical passages they're mangle for their own benefit and they're jealous of the place it holds in fans' hearts.
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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And it's good to have you aboard. I've enjoyed everyone's contributions to the topic so far.
It's a subject close to my heart because, without exaggeration, heavy metal has given me more reason to celebrate and value being alive than most of what I've heard from the pulpit. Beginning with KISS at the tender age of four in 1980, this music has inspired, encouraged and comforted me when I needed it most.
To read of it being demonised by people who haven't taken the time to listen to or understand it and are fearful of its influence baffles and angers me. I think this is because they know it has more meaning for 'the kids' than whatever Biblical passages they're mangle for their own benefit and they're jealous of the place it holds in fans' hearts.
It's people with an agenda all their own. (you've made me look) I was raised in a two parent home. My dad went to work, he was machinist and my mother stayed home and took care of us (4 years a part between my sister; me and my bother 8 years oldest) then there is grandma to throw into the mix that all lived through the great depression, to tell about it. (bit of background might give you a bit of understanding)
I once listened to a preacher dist the Care Bears, saying they were evil. Now that is off the wall and exaggerated.
So now I'm looking things up and see some of where you are coming from (me living in my bubble most of my teen life) Revisiting America's Satanic Panic: When Heavy Metal and the Devil Himself Stalked the Earth
What went on in my little town (that isn't little any more) were the cops planting drugs on the teenagers and blaming the drug problem on a small town mafia dude that owned a night club, that was not dealing in drugs, but porn. Go figure ...
So no my parents were not worried about me (not so sure about my brother though) and Satan. However, if they only knew the other crap I was into, it would have shocked the crap out of 'em. But that's okay, that was then .... and as you stated Stephen King said, 'we move forward' ...
... It's good that you have found inspiration in the music as music (I did go to college) is designed to elicit a specific response. However, so does the preacher's way of preaching too.
A friend of mine once told me that he thought it to be a remarkable attribute in that I can separate things out. I'm not brain washable and it has been tried by the best. I have found it is best to play along and then get the hell away from 'em. But it does look like the government, as well as, the church, did try to suck people into all of this and that's sad as to their influence.
I didn't find God in a church and I didn't find Satan there either. That came from a lifetime (and more to go) to put two and two together, beyond what the pulpit had/has to offer.
Some of that experience in the late 70's, 1979 to be exact there was a local fantasy rock band, they were really good and many times I joined them on their late night jam sessions. (I could link you and I might if we keep talking) Saying that and you mentioning KISS made me think of Beth. I don't see Satan in that song. I see the wife and the leader of the band from the last year I could say, I was a teenage.
The first I heard of that kind of link was Hotel California. Some satanist was supposed to be in the photo an the album cover. That rumor persists to this day. I never got into heavy metal, to repative and I always thought groups like Pink Floyd were far more subversive.
I always thought groups like Pink Floyd were far more subversive.
I love my Floyd too. I dug into them during the 90s when grunge made everything I loved about rock and roll seem uncool. I backtracked to the late 60s and early 70s and became a hippie. In spirit at least.
I think the Satanic panic in the 80s took rise from a number of factors, but it really all boils down to good old fashion greed. Sensationalism sells and the American public at that time was hungry for sensationalism. I think it really took hold in the 70s. You had books about conspiracies and UFOs come out. The public was hungry for that stuff. Leonard Nimoy hosted a show about such topics called In Search of.
Then in the 80s, you had the rise of teleevangelism, and it exploded. It's natural to put a lot of faith in someone charismatic preaching the gospel and these preachers grew very wealthy by the support of their viewers. While I think they may have started out with good intentions, I think greed overtook them, and they start marketing sensationalistic claims to stir up the viewership and more donations. The anti-Christ, Satanism, end times, the New World Order, all popular topics on their tv shows and books. It didn't help that rock bands also stirred the flames by including Satanic imagery in their songs and appearances. While I think there were truly demonic rock bands out there like the Scandinavia bands who burn churches and worship Satan, bands like Motley Crue displayed pentagrams solely for appearances because it looked evil.
The bottom line is that there was definitely people who made good profit selling lies about Satanism. One prime example is Mike Warkne. In the 70s and 80s, standup comedy was a huge deal, and Mike apparently saw an opportunity to tap into a niche market of clean Christian standup comedy. Mike also had an amazing testimony of a journey from being a high warlock in a Satanic cult to becoming a Christian. It turns out that he made the whole story up! But it helped him sell a boatload of concert tapes.
Finally, I think another factor that stirred up the Satan scare is just sick people who enjoyed scaring people during that period. I seem to remember during that time frame that there was a rumor in high school that people were receiving black roses in their locker which meant they were targeted or something. I think u can directly compare the Satan scare to the scary clown scare last year! It was weird, made no sense, creepy and the sightings kept spreading around the country and even world. When people stopped caring, the whole thing just disappeared. Because sick people dressing up as clowns couldnt get a thrill out of freaking people out anymore.
While I think there were truly demonic rock bands out there like the Scandinavia bands who burn churches and worship Satan...
Bands as in plural? Which bands did that?
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