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"BEN SHAPIRO: Here's the deal... I paid a $15,000 security fee. If this goes down, it is all on you. I have already called for no one who is a supporter of mine to engage in violence, even defensive violence...
We're going there with the approval of the Berkeley administration. We have every right to be there. You have every right to attend. Don't act violent. I want the world to know -- I want America to see the police do their jobs. They charged us an arm and a leg for security. Let's see if they run away and allow antifa to have its way...
Whoever the higher ups here are doing a garbage job... The left uses the rioter's veto to try to establish these fascist safe spaces."
Yes, there are many different perspectives on this campus of 20k students. This is a political view, though. I'm not even trying to talk about political views. I'm talking about rioting, violence, and safety - and the fact that the university is right to prepare for these things. The university (and certainly not me) is not blaming the conservative speakers, like the OP is suggesting. We are blaming the extremists who react poorly and lewdly to this event.
...where has all the dem leadership been denouncing this crap for the last few years...
Perhaps putting up normal human defense mechanisms against accusations that this represents all Democrats.
Nobody's more outspoken about the regressives and Antifa than I am (check history), but I promise it's better for normal reasonable workaday Democrats to agree it's bad than to try to paint them as complicit in the growth of these bad ideas and violence and give little to no space for agreement.
That's not true at all. These people are very political. Read their material. Do some just like to smash things? Probably, but I bet most are dedicated to their politics.
Have you been to one of these riots in Berkeley, or from what experience are you saying "These people are very political"? I've been there for several of these incidents and, yep, I grab the leaflets, hear the screaming, hear the banter. Some are political, some aren't. The ones who are, are devout anarchists. But the ones who aren't are still happy to shout "down with the system" or something to fit in so they can stay there and create chaos.
Have you been to one of these riots in Berkeley, or from what experience are you saying "These people are very political"? I've been there for several of these incidents and, yep, I grab the leaflets, hear the screaming, hear the banter. Some are political, some aren't. The ones who are, are devout anarchists. But the ones who aren't are still happy to shout "down with the system" or something to fit in so they can stay there and create chaos.
They're anarchist communist revolutionists. The fact that politicians like Bernie Sanders tell them that they're victims and their pixie dust fairy tales of the country being a huge commune are remotely practical is a disgrace.
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Yes, there are many different perspectives on this campus of 20k students. This is a political view, though.
It directly addressed free speech, as in, free speech shouldn't be allowed. It's very relevant to tonight's festivities. Look at the signs and chalk drawings that are already up tonight -- anti-free speech all the way. Remember the iconic image from the spring of the Berkeley Antifa guy burning the "free speech" flag? Some people are against free speech but won't use violence. Some people are against free speech and WILL use violence.
I've mentioned this a few times, so I'll quote myself:
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I was watching various Youtube vids the other day and there were some interviews on the Berkeley campus following the riots. One guy explained that free speech had its role in the past and it was useful as it led to us looking at all the ideas and figuring out the right direction for society to take and figuring out the truth and stuff. But free speech has served its purpose and is obsolete now as it can only be used to detract from the correct path through the use of hate, misinformation, and attempts to stir up trouble.
It struck me as the clearest explanation I've ever heard for why the 16-24 year olds who are against free speech feel that way. Horribly misguided, but quite clear.
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